F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Brumby

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Re: Sweet C quals are great

I do not know getting your numbers, but IMHO, US squadrons will not be nine aircraft. They are normally even numbers, with the exception that sometimes the AEW and or EW will have five instead of four. But that works because typically the AEW birds are up in single aircraft, and the Prowlers and growlers can be accompanying strike packages in singles sometimes too.

But fighters and strike aircraft packages will usually be in groupings by twos.

As to your question, my numbers represent a war load once the F-35Cs and the UCAVs are present, and are base don the capability of the carrier in terms of aircraft, and historically what has been done in such circumstances.

There will be at least 6 UCAVs, but in a war time situation, I make it ten, similar to the ten S-3s that were once embarked. The combat role I am projecting means they are expecting to go into combat with a high threat level.

These carriers are capable of carrying over 90 aircraft easily, and have done so in the past.

Jeff/AFB,

You are right about the even number. It is my mistake to assume parity across all 4 squadrons in a typical carrier air wing of 44 units. My apologies. Having done a bit more digging, I believe the typical configuration currently is :
2 X 10
2 X 12 of F/A-18 C/E/F totalling 44.

Assuming an eventual swap of 1 for 1, the configuration would be :
2 X 10 F-35C
2 X 12 F/A-18 E/F totalling 44

This is based on normal deployment and not surge like which I acknowledge the Carrier is capable of accommodating at least an additional squadron if not 2.

According to the Naval Aviation Vision 2020 document (page 38), the notional future CVW force composition is :
44 Strike Fighter (F-35C/F/A-18 E/F)
4-12 UCAS
5 EA-18G AEA
5 E-2D

My comment on a 36 unit CVW was based on a posting in Navy Matters where it was stated that the Navy officially plans to further reduced the CVW by 2-4 per squadron once the F-35C is introduced. There is no reference source so this cannot be validated to its reliability.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: Sweet C quals are great

Jeff/AFB,

According to the Naval Aviation Vision 2020 document (page 38), the notional future CVW force composition is :
44 Strike Fighter (F-35C/F/A-18 E/F)
4-12 UCAS
5 EA-18G AEA
5 E-2D
I can agree with this in terms of normal peace-time, non-combat, non-surge operations. But do not forget the COD aircraft, or the SAR/ASW squadrons.

I believe a total number of 62-64 fixed wing aircraft is very probable.

1 x 12 F/A-18E
1 x 12 F/A-18F
2 x 10 F-25C
1 x 06 UCAV
1 x 05 E/A-18G
1 x 05 E-2D
1 x 02 COD (C-2a or KC-3, or V-22)
1 x 04 ASW (MH-60R)
1 x 04 SAR (MH-60S)

But in a high tempo- high threat combat situation, you will see it grow significantly.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Lockheed seals $4.7bn deal for latest lot of F-35 fighters
By: DAN PARSONSWASHINGTON DC Source: Flightglobal.com 22:15 21 Nov 2014
The US government and Lockheed Martin on 21 November finalised a $4.7 billion contract for 43 F-35 Lightning II aircraft.

Included in the eighth low-rate initial production (LRIP) deal is $500 million in advanced procurement funding for later productions lots, according to the F-35 joint programme office. The deal includes 39 jets for the US military and 14 for various international customers.

Lockheed is under pressure to bring down per-unit cost of the F-35 lot over lot. It has met the mark with LRIP 8, which came in 3.5% less per aircraft than LRIP 7 in 2013 and 57% less than the US government's initial purchase, the JPO says.

"LRIP 8 contract terms continue to eliminate the government’s exposure to risk by having Lockheed Martin cover 100 percent of any cost overruns," the JPO says. " The government and Lockheed Martin will share returns derived from any underruns in target cost", at 20% for the government and 80% for Lockheed.

Per-variant costs are as follows: $94.8 million per airframe for the F-35A, $102 million per F-35B and $115.7 per F-35C, the JPO says.

An important caveat is that the prices quoted by Lockheed and the JPO do not include the F135 engines, which are bought separately from manufacturer Pratt & Whitney. The engine has been the focus of much scrutiny of late after one malfunctioned prior to an F-35A test flight, sparking a fire that ruined the jet and temporarily grounded the entire test and fielded fleets.

Pratt & Whitney has found both an interim and permanent fix for the third-stage rotor friction that caused the malfunction and has agreed to shoulder 100% of the cost to modify fielded engines and redesign future production examples. An engineering change proposal is expected in mid-to-late December, says JPO spokesman Joe DellaVedova. He did not yet know how much Pratt & Whitney would have to pay to correct for fielded engines and to redesign those in production.

The interim fix involves "pre-trenching" the third-stage stators that surround the rotor to prevent rubbing during aggressive flight manoeuvres. A permanent fix will be introduced to production engines at a later date.

Pre-trenching is done before the aircraft flies in order to allow the rotor to glide through its polymide surrounding stator without creating friction, DellaVedova says. The same affect can be achieved by flying each aircraft on a couple of carefully prescribed 1h sorties, which is being done with the 19 test aircraft.

"It is expected that the interim fix will go into fleet and production until a final configuration decision is made next year (and then qualifies later next year)," he says.

Under the LRIP 8 contract, the US government is buying 19 conventional takeoff and landing F-35As for the air force, six short-takeoff and vertical landing F-35Bs for the Marine Corps and four carrier-based F-35Cs for the navy.

It also includes the first two F-35As for Israel and Japan's first four of the same variant. Two A-model jets also will go to both Norway and Italy. The UK will receive four F-35Bs as part of the deal.

The contract also includes a concurrency clause that requires Lockheed Martin to split costs down the middle with the government for known concurrency changes arising from system development and demonstration, the JPO says.

"Newly discovered concurrency changes identified during the LRIP 8 production period will be authorized via engineering change proposals," it says.

The LRIP 8 contract contains performance-based payments, whereby the contractor will receive incremental payment as specified performance criteria are achieved along the production line until government aircraft acceptance.

Lockheed will begin delivery of the jets in 2016 and once the orders are filled, more than 200 of the jets will be in operation by eight countries. The company has delivered 115 F-35s as of 21 November.

The USA, eight Partner nations, and three Foreign Military Sales customers have announced plans to procure more than 3,200 F-35 aircraft over the life of the programme.
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FORBIN

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Per-variant costs are as follows: $94.8 million per airframe for the F-35A, $102 million per F-35B and $115.7 per F-35C, the JPO says.
Price without reactor, all system for B and support etc...
F-35C the more expensive because have this tailhook problem and the less ordered with LRIP 8 : 26 against 103 A and 50 B.

Actualy F-35 of LRIP 6 delivered, about 2 years for build a F-35.

LM, General Dynamicsin fact in 1980's delivered annually up to 150 F-16 for USAF, 80 planned for F-35A ofc more sophisticated, stealth different.

Planned 20 F-35B and 20 F-35C max by year in FRP.
 

Air Force Brat

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

yeah but ... does this picture show some test of both bays opening at once??

No, they've been open plenty and they likely will open even super-sonic, and weapons can be launched, the Raptor's certainly will, and I expect no less from my little ThunderHogge II,,, those are some slik pix, and I love the maneuvering jets in the first photo, very outstanding detail, of a very "CLEAN" bird, I love the bottom of this airplane!
 

HMS Astute

Junior Member
Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Flying the 'Nintendo' fighter jet

When the F-35 Lightning II fighter jet comes into service, it'll be among the most advanced in the world. Combining sophisticated weaponry with stealth, the F-35 is going to be used by the US, UK and a host of other countries. But what will it be like to fly? BBC Click's Dave Lee was granted exclusive access to the BAE Systems' simulator being used to train pilots and iron out any complications before the jet comes into full service.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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UK Confirms First F-35 Orders
Nov. 24, 2014 - 03:45AM | By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE | Comments
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An F-35B and F-35C in formation.
An F-35B and F-35C in formation. (Lockheed Martin)
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LONDON — Britain on Monday announced it signed a contract with US manufacturer Lockheed Martin to buy the first of 14 F-35B combat jets.

The four Lightning II stealth combat aircraft will operate from both of the Royal Navy’s forthcoming new aircraft carriers and from Royal Air Force land bases, with another 10 due to be ordered over the next five years.

The first batch is expected to be delivered in 2016 and will take up station in 2018.

“The investment we are making in the F-35 aircraft will ensure we are securing the skies for decades to come, providing the UK with the latest stealth technology and multi-role aircraft capability,” said Philip Dunne, minister for defence equipment support and technology.

The planes feature short take-off and vertical landing(STOVL) technology and the latest stealth and intelligence surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance (ISTAR) technology.

The British government has long planned to provide its air and naval forces with F-35Bs and signed an agreement in principle to buy the four jets last month.

The F-35 should have appeared at this year’s Farnborough International Airshow near London, but was grounded by technical problems and could not cross the Atlantic Ocean.

Britain’s navy is currently without an aircraft carrier but a new carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, is due to go into service in 2020 with another, HMS Prince of Wales, to follow.
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