F-22 Raptor Thread

Brumby

Major
Brumby, you gave me "turkey shoot" baloney, that's why I'm responding again:
  • you might want to consider the encounter would occur under Electronic Attack conditions (that's the term used by that USAF Major in
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    where he basically increased the number of AAMs required to achieve a kill if I recall correctly, I don't bother with finding page numbers now), plus
  • after "harassing" AAMs launches, there would be loitering missiles, yes, intentionally launched "stupidly", making the battle-space ... messy
My friend, I think you are being unreasonable to take an argument from a document concerning Electronic Attack conditions and expect me to figure out from one of the 84 pages your line of reasoning.

the aircraft could be closing rather quickly ... now, Brumby:
I give up, especially on Fools' Day :) I won't go on with this conversation when I think you at best present Propaganda, which to me appears to be totally uncritical view of presumably "clean, safe, total victory achieved by pressing a button", and you seem to think I present utter nonsense ... so you won, thanks for arguing again, this is all I can offer EDIT actually there may be one thing, which is the most recent blog:
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(when responding to you yesterday
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/f-22-raptor-thread.t6557/page-63#post-394147
I was unaware of it: I mostly use Russian sources for what you of course disbelieve)

I am wondering whether we are even talking about the same thing. Your position is about the efficacy of a preemptive AAM launch and its effect would be sufficiently disruptive on the F-22's. I assumed initially we both understood the same meaning of pre-emptive and responded accordingly based on that assumption. I would just reiterate what that assumption means. Pre-emption means an action independent of causative feed. It means you would launch on a regular basis a bunch of AAM's into the sky in the hope that some F-22's would turn up in a particular ingress flight path at the right time and in certain sector that would correspond to your AAM launch and be disrupted by it. That to me is not a very efficient and effective tactic.
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
I know it's probably to late but it was a grave mistake to make only 187 of these excellent machines we should have at a minimum 300-500 of them in inventory at all times maybe also a dedicated strike version kind of like the F15 was adapted to the E version
 

Bernard

Junior Member
I know it's probably to late but it was a grave mistake to make only 187 of these excellent machines we should have at a minimum 300-500 of them in inventory at all times maybe also a dedicated strike version kind of like the F15 was adapted to the E version

I think everyone on here agrees that it is "one of" the worst strategic mistakes in history of the U.S
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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Four F-22 Raptor and two B-52 Stratofortress US Air Force will parade for the 100 years of the EC 2/4 Lafayette

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This year, at the ceremony held Wednesday, April 20, 2016, the Mirage 2000N will not be the only combat aircraft to fly over the memorial. Indeed, and according to our information, four F-22 Raptor and two B-52 Stratofortress US Air Force will also participate in the flypast.

The four Raptor, from the 94th Fighter Squadron, will parade behind the three Mirage 2000N of the "La Fayette", one of them will be the carrier device Centennial decoration, and their passage will take place on April 20 between 10:30 ET 1:00 p.m. (local time). The two strategic bombers should conduct their passage one hour after the hunters Americans and French fighter-bombers.
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So we have pics and maybe video also for 10 days :p
 

Thornblade

New Member
I think everyone on here agrees that it is "one of" the worst strategic mistakes in history of the U.S

What happened to the assembly lines? I believe the tooling and equipment are still there stored somewhere in the desert. Or it was just down to budget constraints/Congressional approval.

At the end of the day, it is all about money and politics...
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
What happened to the assembly lines? I believe the tooling and equipment are still there stored somewhere in the desert. Or it was just down to budget constraints/Congressional approval.

At the end of the day, it is all about money and politics...

BHO dissed the friendly aliens who built each F-22 by hand, and they knew he could NOT be trusted with the "alien bird"???? Moochelle referred to their leader as "shorty", and refused to sit by a green man with his 4 eyes on stalks???
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Raptors visit Europe again, to stay until May

In a surprise move and repeating last year’s visit to Germany, US Air Force Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors are seen in European skies again. Four jets arrived at Lakenheath airbase in the UK in the afternoon of Monday 11 April. The jets are here to conduct training with other Europe-based aircraft, said the US Air Force in a statement.

The advanced jets are deployed from the 95th Fighter Squadron at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida. They will continue training until May. In 2015, the first official deployment to Europe took place as
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. They remained there for four weeks of flying in the European theater,
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while doing so.

The arrival of the Raptors in the UK comes as a surprise. Upon landing, their visit was first linked with a planned visit of F-22s later this month in France. On 20 April, the US Air Force’s most potent fighter aircraft is scheduled to participate in the 80th anniversary of French Air Force Escadron de Chasse (EC) 2/4, flying Mirages at Istres-Le Tubé airbase in southern France. It remains unclear of the aircraft expected in France, are the same jets now deployed to the UK.

Security package

The US
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. They take part in exercise Frisian Flag in the Netherlands, about which an inside report will appear here at Airheadsfly.com very soon. The F-15s will stay in Europe for six months as part of a Theater Security Package.

The F-22 however is a seldom seen sight in Europe. Raptors have on rare occasions used the UK and Spain as stop overs to destinations elsewhere.

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F-22 and F-15E
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