F-22 Raptor 5th Generation Stealth Fighter
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
Name me one and i will be satisfied. Sure any powerful radar can detect an f-22 in a close range WVR, but never from BVR. If a radar can locate a f-22, then guiding a missile is possible. Your assesment of the f-15C, Rafael, and Eurofighter being 90 percent as good as the f-22, your plain wrong. First of all none of those fighters can even match the JSF which is the second most capable a2a fighter in the world. Second of all China is far behind. It does not posses any stealth capability, it has yet to prove itself capable of producing a slotted array radar let alone a phased array or aesa for a fighter. In terms of thrust, China does not have powerful enough engines to maintain supercruise. And finally in terms of avionics China can barely match an f-16 blk30. China has a long way to go. Also your assesment of su-27s being superior fighters due to RAM, bars, TVC, and manuveerability is fatal. in BVR a su-27 has a great disadvantage compared to a F-15C. Radar cross section wise, the su-27 is a monster. Bars cannot match the AESA radar that will soon apear in f-15s. In WVR the su-27 has an undeniable advantage.
Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
dude, you don't need to attack China just because someone had said something bad about F-22. KLJ-3 is at least slotted array and is in the process of getting upgraded to PAR if it's not there already. And I can tell you now, J-10's avionics is better than avionics of block 30.slackpiv said:
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
Lets be realistic here, if a real war, US aircrafts will be in total BVR mode. Has US made aircrafts ever lost in a real war? The USAF is rich enough to unload thousands of aim120s on the opposing airforce. They dont need to engage in dogfights.
Ever noticed that USAF always lose in aircombat SIMULATIONS? but they never lose in a REAL WAR.
I have visited the Pratt and Whitney plant in CT where they manufactue the engines for the F-22. With those engines, the F-22 will be no push-over in any dogfight. I must come back to my point, no F-22 will bother to engage in dogfights. They will simply lock, fire and forget.
Lets be realistic here, if a real war, US aircrafts will be in total BVR mode. Has US made aircrafts ever lost in a real war? The USAF is rich enough to unload thousands of aim120s on the opposing airforce. They dont need to engage in dogfights.
Ever noticed that USAF always lose in aircombat SIMULATIONS? but they never lose in a REAL WAR.
I have visited the Pratt and Whitney plant in CT where they manufactue the engines for the F-22. With those engines, the F-22 will be no push-over in any dogfight. I must come back to my point, no F-22 will bother to engage in dogfights. They will simply lock, fire and forget.
Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
...several times....even to chinese planes...but have they (US-made aircrafts) ever encountered airforce that could actually have some change?
sounds pretty much the same additue that was evident in the late 50's and early 60's...that missiles have surpassed cannons totaly in air-to-air combat...they never anticipated that dogfights would occur between jet fighters...Well USAF learned their leassons in Vietnam...
...several times....even to chinese planes...but have they (US-made aircrafts) ever encountered airforce that could actually have some change?
sounds pretty much the same additue that was evident in the late 50's and early 60's...that missiles have surpassed cannons totaly in air-to-air combat...they never anticipated that dogfights would occur between jet fighters...Well USAF learned their leassons in Vietnam...
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Not that I would agree on the F/A-22 beeing a weak plane, infact, I would say that there is no plane in the world (ATM) which could be sure to shoot it down.
Thats because of the US have not fought a real "fair" war since WW2 or possibly Korea. Every other war, the US have fought a much weaker (in terms of technology/numbers that is) nation.ordinary dude said:
Not that I would agree on the F/A-22 beeing a weak plane, infact, I would say that there is no plane in the world (ATM) which could be sure to shoot it down.
Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
I did not attack China, i listed the factors it needs to overcome to be able to develop a fighter to match the f-22. i would like to know where the information of the KLJ-3, which in sinodefence is said to be based on early versions of the AN/APG-66, being upgraded to a PAR comes from when the Russians, only recently began to use BARs for their fighters. Such a generation leap is unlikely. Sorry i meant plaaf does not have a phased array let alone an AESA. Russian avionics cannot match US avionics. It was always been a weekness of Russian fighters. Based on most credible sources, the J-10 is comparable to the the f-16 block 30 in terms of performance and avionics. But in truth know one knows because China is very secretive about its military programs.
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yeah, the sources have mostly said that J-10 is at least at block 30's level. If you compare the numbers of KLJ-3 vs APG-66, I think KLJ-3 dominates it. What J-10 gets killed on vs F-16C/D is its multirole capabilities and night attack and stuff like that. In terms of just A2A combat, it's avionics is decent. It does have triple MFD, HUD, HMS, HOTAS and quadriplex FBW amongst other things.
sinodefence got the wrong stats, those are for JL-10A. I have pretty much being posting KLJ-3 stats in numerous threads if you bothered to read them. No one knows what KLJ-3 is based on. It was designed to match the performance of rdy-2. As for the stuff on PAR, there are numerous sources that says KLJ-3 is already PAR, there was possibly a picture that claimed to be KLJ-3 that looked like a PAR. Personally, I think KLJ-3 is currently a planar array radar that will give eventually give birth to a PAR.slackpiv said:
yeah, the sources have mostly said that J-10 is at least at block 30's level. If you compare the numbers of KLJ-3 vs APG-66, I think KLJ-3 dominates it. What J-10 gets killed on vs F-16C/D is its multirole capabilities and night attack and stuff like that. In terms of just A2A combat, it's avionics is decent. It does have triple MFD, HUD, HMS, HOTAS and quadriplex FBW amongst other things.
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
Numerous sources tend to be fans of the PLA posting flas information. Half the pictures are probably psed. Frankly i'm sticking with sino-defence's information on the info that it is based on early versions of the APG-66. Its just not feasable for China to jump so many generations. There has not bee one credible source that has pointed to the KJ-3 evolving into a PAR. Your sentences contridict each other. the KLJ-3 does not dominate the apg-66.The APG-66 has constnatly been upgraded and are only used in the A/B. the C/D uses the APG-68. THE E/F block 60 uses an AESA model.
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