F-22 Raptor 5th Generation Stealth Fighter

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Perhaps new-old weapons would be used against stealthy planes, if they can be detected but not targeted precisely. Then you'd want to deliver the weapon to that area where you've detected the plane and detonate the weapons across a broad area, something not unlike the old flak barrage that was widely used in ww2. Granted, it'd require tons of such flak rockets and a fair deal of luck but it still beats sending actual planes towards f22, since you know they're gonna be brought down before they can engage the raptor.

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holy crap, you CANT be serious... we are going backwards...?

Flak??? yea but thats too hard, maybe for the nighthawk but...

The Raptor with TVC and change itz speed and manuver out

But still itz a good idea to take down the Nighthawk though

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perhaps we should make a thread called: how to kill a raptor. in order to kill it, a sukoi must be within close range to use the hms to fire a missle. moe a heat seaker might do, but it would have to be very advanced to see the f-22s small heat trail.

heres an idea: a television missle preprogrammed with a picture if an f-22.

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absolutely, tv guided missiles with some kind of target matching, not unlike the software cruise missiles use, would definitely help. Combined with an ir sensor, it'd go a certain way towards detecting a raptor. Still, you'd need a way to detect where the f22 is, so you can launch the missiles in that area, and you'd probably need more than a couple launched since it'd be pretty broad area. I'm guessing a datalink between all those missiles would help, so they would all know where all the other missiles are and which missile is searching which bit of sky with its optical sensors. I'm guessing on a clear day you'd be able to positively target a raptor up to 10 km distance, perhaps even a bit more if two or more missiles are searching the same area from different angles and are sharing information.

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Totoro said:

Perhaps new-old weapons would be used against stealthy planes, if they can be detected but not targeted precisely. Then you'd want to deliver the weapon to that area where you've detected the plane and detonate the weapons across a broad area, something not unlike the old flak barrage that was widely used in ww2. Granted, it'd require tons of such flak rockets and a fair deal of luck but it still beats sending actual planes towards f22, since you know they're gonna be brought down before they can engage the raptor.

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I hope you're not serious, FLAK !!! Ahem, do you know how much shell you'll need to shoot down 1 plane ??? Do you how hard it's to aim a plane flying at high speed ?? I'll give you some exemple, during World War II, it took 3,343 shot of 88mm FLAK to shot down 1 plane in average. Even with our modern firing control and tracking system, this number can be reduced to 1/5 of the original number, but it will still represent an average of 660 shot per plane. That's wasting money and time. The most effective way is still using interceptor.

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88mm...

you mean German Flaks cannons right?

cuz they suck bad, they ended up destroying Russian tanks on the east

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Chairman Hu said:

88mm...

you mean German Flaks cannons right?

cuz they suck bad, they ended up destroying Russian tanks on the east

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okay, but the destruction power of the 88mm was amazing, the AA frag shell disperse 1,500 shrapnel in a 180m circle. It can destroy most aircraft at 10m with the dispersion range and dommage everything at 180m. It was good ... when you hit... but in this time, aiming was tough, do you how to aim one of thoses guns back in this time ???

BTW, General Erwin Rommel was the first german to use it in AT role back in France in 1940 against at first the Maginot Line and french tank after, he even sank 2 destroyer and 1 auxiliary cruiser with his 88mm. This was before Russia.

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rommel said:

okay, but the destruction power of the 88mm was amazing, the AA frag shell disperse 1,500 shrapnel in a 180m circle. It can destroy most aircraft at 10m with the dispersion range and dommage everything at 180m. It was good ... when you hit... but in this time, aiming was tough, do you how to aim one of thoses guns back in this time ???

BTW, General Erwin Rommel was the first german to use it in AT role back in France in 1940 against at first the Maginot Line and french tank after, he even sank 2 destroyer and 1 auxiliary cruiser with his 88mm. This was before Russia.

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again, that's why Rommel was the best general in WWII.

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"The AN/APG-77 radar a novel type of electronically scanned phased array. In what is likely to be the most advanced airborne radar in the world, individual transmit and receive modules are located behind each element of the radar array. The transmit function of the solid-state microwave modules supplants the traveling wave tubes used in prior radars like the APQ-164. "

The heart of this system is the solid-state microwave modules(use for phase shifting). The solid-state material used is based on galllium arsenide. Gallium arsenide technology is about 30 years old. I think the Japanese had built an experimental computer based on gallium arsenide technology. Most of the time commercial technology usually is ahead of military technology. :coffee:

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rommel said:

BTW, General Erwin Rommel was the first german to use it in AT role back in France in 1940 against at first the Maginot Line and french tank after, he even sank 2 destroyer and 1 auxiliary cruiser with his 88mm. This was before Russia.

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I dont mean to rain on your parade, but the 88mm were used as AT guns 4 years earlier...in the Spanish Civil War. But this is going to far off topic...