F-22 Raptor 5th Generation Stealth Fighter

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vincelee

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BARS is the best Russian radar in service, now why don't you go ask the Indians if they like it or not.

as to the questions about training. There are captive rounds and there is DACT. The folks at the FTTC are not only an integral part of Beijing's defense, but also participates in the blue/red exercises.
 

adeptitus

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EL/M-2052
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Note the board in the back says "Suitable for F-15, MiG-29, Mirage-2000, LCA, & Su-30".

Can track 64 targets! ^_^

If I were the PLAAF I'd make it a top priority to obtain this radar technology. It looks better than the Zhuk-ME. =P
 

MIGleader

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i think it might be the new radar china is developing for the j-11. pakistan already loaned an f-16 to china.
 

BrotherofSnake

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adeptitus said:
EL/M-2052
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Note the board in the back says "Suitable for F-15, MiG-29, Mirage-2000, LCA, & Su-30".

Can track 64 targets! ^_^

If I were the PLAAF I'd make it a top priority to obtain this radar technology. It looks better than the Zhuk-ME. =P

Who developed this radar?
 

Chairman Hu

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in exchange for DF-21 tech...

there is NO WAY that the BARS is the best in Russia, got anything to back that up?

Adeptitus, you are right, China has caught up in airframe design, but radar is still the hugest gap...

In fact, what is the radar in the Raptor compared to Russia/China's best?

Thanks for the pic of the EL/M-2052, how bout some data?
 

MIGleader

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well, bars is the best, many sources will say that. but some of the new phazotrons like panda will surpass it.
 

BrotherofSnake

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In fact, what is the radar in the Raptor compared to Russia/China's best?
AN/APG-77 Radar

The AN/APG-77 radar is the F-22’s primary sensor and is a long-range, rapid-scan, and multi-functional system. A Northrop Grumman-led joint venture with Raytheon is developing the active-element electronically scanned array radar. Northrop Grumman is also responsible for the radar sensor design, software, and systems integration.

The AN/APG-77 radar is an active-element, electronically scanned (that is, it does not move) array that features a separate transmitter and receiver for each of the antenna's several thousand, finger-sized radiating elements. Most of the mechanical parts common to other radars have been eliminated, thus making the radar more reliable. This type of antenna, which is integrated both physically and electromagnetically with the airframe, provides the frequency agility, low radar cross-section, and wide bandwidth necessary to support the F-22's air dominance mission. The radar is key to the F-22's integrated avionics and sensor capabilities. It will provide pilots with detailed information about multiple threats before the adversary's radar ever detects the F-22.

The AN/APG-77 radar a novel type of electronically scanned phased array. In what is likely to be the most advanced airborne radar in the world, individual transmit and receive modules are located behind each element of the radar array. The transmit function of the solid-state microwave modules supplants the traveling wave tubes used in prior radars like the APQ-164. The active, electronically scanned array (ESA) configuration has a wider transmit bandwidth while requiring significantly less volume and prime power. The system represents about half the weight of an equivalent passive ESA design. Each of the hundreds of individual solid-state devices generates only small amounts of power, but the aggregate for the entire array is substantial.

The F-22 s APG-77 electronically scanned array antenna is composed of several thousand transmit/receive modules, circulators, radiators and manifolds assembled into subarrays and then integrated into a complete array. The baseline design used thousands of hand-soldered flex circuit interconnects to make the numerous radio frequency, digital, and direct current connections between the components and manifolds that make up the subarray. Northrop Grumman Corporation, of Baltimore, MD, has developed an improved manufacturing process for F-22 aircraft radar components. The new process could result in a cost avoidance of nearly $87 million on the planned production run for the aircraft. By replacing the hand-soldered flex circuit interconnects with automated ribbon bond interconnects, the first pass yield of the subarray assembly has been vastly improved.

The AN/APG-77 radar antenna is a elliptical, active electronically scanned antenna array of 2000 transmitter/receive modules which provides agility, low radar cross section and wide bandwidth. The radar is able to sweep 120 degrees of airspace instantaneously. In comparison to the F-15 Strike Eagle's APG-70 radar takes 14 seconds to scan that amount of airspace. The APG-77 is capable of performing this feat by electronically forming multiple radar beams to rapidly search the airspace.

The system exhibits a very low radar cross section, supporting the F-22's stealthy design. Reliability of the all-solid-state system is expected to be substantially better than the already highly reliable F-16 radar, with MTBF predicted at more than 450 hours.

The APG-77 radar offers significant advantages over previous combat radars. Among its most attractive benefits is the integration of agile beam steering. This feature allows a single APG-77 radar to carry out multiple functions, such as searching, tracking, and engaging targets simultaneously. Agile beam steering also enables the radar to concurrently search multiple portions of airspace, while allowing continued tracking of priority targets.

The Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) capability of the radar defeats conventional RWR/ESM systems. The AN/APG-77 radar is capable of performing an active radar search on RWR/ESM equipped fighter aircraft without the target knowing he is being illuminated. Unlike conventional radars which emit high energy pulses in a narrow frequency band, the AN/APG-77 emits low energy pulses over a wide frequency band using a technique called spread spectrum transmission. When multiple echoes are returned, the radar's signal processor combines the signals. The amount of energy reflected back to the target is about the same as a conventional radar, but because each LPI pulse has considerably less amount of energy and may not fit normal modulation patterns, the target will have a difficult time detecting the F-22.

The F-22 and its APG-77 radar will also be able to employ better Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR). This is accomplished by forming fine beams and by generating a high resolution image of the target by using Inverse Synthetic Aperture radar (ISAR) processing. ISAR uses Doppler shifts caused by rotational changes in the targets position to create a 3D map of the target. The target provides the Doppler shift and not the aircraft illuminating the target. SAR is when the aircraft provides the Doppler shift. The pilot can compare the target with an actual picture radar image stored in the F-22's data base.

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MIGleader said:
well, bars is the best, many sources will say that. but some of the new phazotrons like panda will surpass it.
bars is so overrated by the Russian and Indians.

It has a 140-160 km search range against F-16, it can track like around 20 targets and engage less than 10. It's also PAR, not AESA.

The new Elta-2052 is AESA, has some ridiculous range and can track 64 targets.

I read APG-77 has something like a 460 KM search range.

Of course Elta-2052 is better than Zhuk-Me. Zhuk-mse (which is the one offered on su-30mk3) isn't even PAR.
 

vincelee

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the Russians currently field Cassergrain and slotted array radars. BARS is one generation gap ahead, being a PAR. Panda is a slotted array radar.
 
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