F-22 Raptor 5th Generation Stealth Fighter
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Chairman Hu
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
Well during the gunieva convention of 1980, America didnt ratify the treaty to ban the use of napalm... as a good example...
Well anyways, The J-XX will be the counter and they can be used just like the MiG-31, stealthy and sneak up on AWACS and destroy it, take the J-10/11 and ambush foreign planes... better!
Lets discuss how well and what roles possible can be used?
Well during the gunieva convention of 1980, America didnt ratify the treaty to ban the use of napalm... as a good example...
Well anyways, The J-XX will be the counter and they can be used just like the MiG-31, stealthy and sneak up on AWACS and destroy it, take the J-10/11 and ambush foreign planes... better!
Lets discuss how well and what roles possible can be used?
Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
The US frequently has military excersizes in those countries. As for the middle east, i think that USAF pilots have gotten enough experiance already. As for the J-XX being able to shoot down 5 F-15s, what is your basis for thast statement. Many factors come into play. Will China be able to develop a stealthy figher up to the RCS of the JSF. Will the fighter be able to be agile and stealthy at the first time? From whom is china recieving help with its avionics, stealth, engines, and radar for the j-xx? Can China make the avionic breakthroughs needed for the next gen figher? Will China be able to develop a radar powerful enough to at least become comparison with the AESA? Will china be able to improve the thrust of its engines? Many factors will need to come into play to determine the fate of the j-xx.
chopsticks
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
dudes...
J-XX or whatever isn't "on the drawing board". its real, VERY REAL *in my opinion* haha...
i spoke to a couple of Chinese fellas last week and they told me, that in their country, the latest or best gear is never seen, heard of, or smelled.
PRC is highly, extremely, paranoidly secretive about its new lineup. as Sun Tzu put it to know your "enemy" but hide your true strength. i know its unverifiable but i'm sure time will tell... right Chairman Hu? haha...
and anyways, Su-37 has the way to defeat F-22. its ultra-powerful radar can detect like a pin in the sky (exagerrating). and its ECM can jamm the daylights out of any Us made plane. basically, the Russians went the opposite direction and instead of absorbing radar, they're jamming the "enemy"'s.... (Su-37 can kick F-22 butt in dogfight anyday btw )
the point about Chinese space radars, yeah China has plenty of those... not to mention
laser cannons...
Also, i heard of a peculiar way of detection using TV waves, not sure if anyone knows about this, but apparently, China has the ability to detect aircraft using CIVILIAN band TV radiowaves.... hahahhahahhha pretty cool isnt it... that would make Dong Fang Ming Zhu in Shanghai one big radar LOL (i don't have a source to this so pardon me if its inaccurate heheh =) )
dudes...
J-XX or whatever isn't "on the drawing board". its real, VERY REAL *in my opinion* haha...
i spoke to a couple of Chinese fellas last week and they told me, that in their country, the latest or best gear is never seen, heard of, or smelled.
PRC is highly, extremely, paranoidly secretive about its new lineup. as Sun Tzu put it to know your "enemy" but hide your true strength. i know its unverifiable but i'm sure time will tell... right Chairman Hu? haha...
and anyways, Su-37 has the way to defeat F-22. its ultra-powerful radar can detect like a pin in the sky (exagerrating). and its ECM can jamm the daylights out of any Us made plane. basically, the Russians went the opposite direction and instead of absorbing radar, they're jamming the "enemy"'s.... (Su-37 can kick F-22 butt in dogfight anyday btw
) the point about Chinese space radars, yeah China has plenty of those... not to mention
laser cannons...
Also, i heard of a peculiar way of detection using TV waves, not sure if anyone knows about this, but apparently, China has the ability to detect aircraft using CIVILIAN band TV radiowaves.... hahahhahahhha pretty cool isnt it... that would make Dong Fang Ming Zhu in Shanghai one big radar LOL
(i don't have a source to this so pardon me if its inaccurate heheh =) )Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
you're delusional.
how do you propose to jam an AESA? flooding the entire spectrum? That would defeat whatever radar you have.
And russians NEVER demonstrated effective active defense. Rafale is the only one rumored to have a working system.
you're delusional.
how do you propose to jam an AESA? flooding the entire spectrum? That would defeat whatever radar you have.
And russians NEVER demonstrated effective active defense. Rafale is the only one rumored to have a working system.
Back to my question
My question was about the PLAN and PLAAF as far as the electronic training used by other nations. I was curious if the PLAAF and PLAN use targeting gear listed below:
-captive weapons that simulate live releases/launches
-Specially monitored ranges with electronic monitors to record training
-Practice bombs like the mk76 and the LGB training round
-Full scale target drones, old ships, tank and aircraft hulks
-Do the pilots and crews of the PLAN and PLAAF have adversary units
-Is there a training facility that is gives a higher level of training to top pilots.
My question was about the PLAN and PLAAF as far as the electronic training used by other nations. I was curious if the PLAAF and PLAN use targeting gear listed below:
-captive weapons that simulate live releases/launches
-Specially monitored ranges with electronic monitors to record training
-Practice bombs like the mk76 and the LGB training round
-Full scale target drones, old ships, tank and aircraft hulks
-Do the pilots and crews of the PLAN and PLAAF have adversary units
-Is there a training facility that is gives a higher level of training to top pilots.
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
2. Su-37 is the same russian garbage as ever. After very short time you have to buy a new plane, because the old one is technically obsolete or it falls into parts (ask german air force; they have rebuilt their MiG-29s three times in 12 years "active" service).
3. You need to have a BVR-AAM with a "ultra-powerful radar". If not, there will be no dogfight.
4. If you get into dogfight, the much better thrust-to-weight-ratio of the F-22 will make the difference. Only aircraft that can possibly outmaneuver the F-22 is the Typhoon.
5. Some "Chinese fellas" would honestly state that China has submarines diving on the moon
About active defense: Elta is building that stuff into it's F-16s for long times. Israel gets Apaches with far superior ECM systems.
1. It's very complicated to "hide your strength" when watched by Keyhole-satelliteschopsticks said:dudes...
J-XX or whatever isn't "on the drawing board". its real, VERY REAL *in my opinion* haha...
i spoke to a couple of Chinese fellas last week and they told me, that in their country, the latest or best gear is never seen, heard of, or smelled.
PRC is highly, extremely, paranoidly secretive about its new lineup. as Sun Tzu put it to know your "enemy" but hide your true strength. i know its unverifiable but i'm sure time will tell... right Chairman Hu? haha...
and anyways, Su-37 has the way to defeat F-22. its ultra-powerful radar can detect like a pin in the sky (exagerrating). and its ECM can jamm the daylights out of any Us made plane. basically, the Russians went the opposite direction and instead of absorbing radar, they're jamming the "enemy"'s.... (Su-37 can kick F-22 butt in dogfight anyday btw
the point about Chinese space radars, yeah China has plenty of those... not to mention
laser cannons...
Also, i heard of a peculiar way of detection using TV waves, not sure if anyone knows about this, but apparently, China has the ability to detect aircraft using CIVILIAN band TV radiowaves.... hahahhahahhha pretty cool isnt it... that would make Dong Fang Ming Zhu in Shanghai one big radar LOL
2. Su-37 is the same russian garbage as ever. After very short time you have to buy a new plane, because the old one is technically obsolete or it falls into parts (ask german air force; they have rebuilt their MiG-29s three times in 12 years "active" service).
3. You need to have a BVR-AAM with a "ultra-powerful radar". If not, there will be no dogfight.
4. If you get into dogfight, the much better thrust-to-weight-ratio of the F-22 will make the difference. Only aircraft that can possibly outmaneuver the F-22 is the Typhoon.
5. Some "Chinese fellas" would honestly state that China has submarines diving on the moon
About active defense: Elta is building that stuff into it's F-16s for long times. Israel gets Apaches with far superior ECM systems.
MIGleader
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Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF
hmmm...can you back up any of your statements? the su-37 by far combines a powerful tvc engine with an agile design. its radar is not the same shit in the su-27, nor is its cocpit. it features much mor modern sensors. it can hold fourteen missles opposed to the f-22's 8. the only advantage the f-22 has over it is stealth.
and btw, elta works for china too.
hmmm...can you back up any of your statements? the su-37 by far combines a powerful tvc engine with an agile design. its radar is not the same shit in the su-27, nor is its cocpit. it features much mor modern sensors. it can hold fourteen missles opposed to the f-22's 8. the only advantage the f-22 has over it is stealth.
and btw, elta works for china too.
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