Europe Refugee Crisis

keldon

New Member
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I believe Merkel is stuck between a rock and a hard place. She is trying to balance the EU do gooders, the pressure of the economy, and satisfying the concern of the local populace.

The amount of asylum seeker in that short periode of time is the problem, the most reasonable thing would be to impose a limit to how many people Germany is capable of taking care off, but nope, it is an open door policy. It is like Frau Merkel got praised for being the paragon of virtue and can't forgo the feeling of moral superiority it come with, the reality on the ground is states agencies running on over capacity and are getting overwhelmed. Add in the declining quality of life for the average working German and you get a lot of dissatisfaction.

Not even mentioning all those bullying and dicatating Germany does to what is regarded as "european fringe" and the animosity it certainly generates. Just sad.
 
I believe Merkel is stuck between a rock and a hard place. She is trying to balance the EU do gooders, the pressure of the economy, and satisfying the concern of the local populace.
several minutes ago I skimmed through leftists' servers, now my oxygen level is returning to normal, so let me summarize: they changed their story from
  • "no connection between Migrants and Terror in Western Europe" previously (by the way I've heard this from individual here) to
  • "it's necessary to look on case-by-case basis" now
Let's wait and see.
 

solarz

Brigadier
The amount of asylum seeker in that short periode of time is the problem, the most reasonable thing would be to impose a limit to how many people Germany is capable of taking care off, but nope, it is an open door policy.

Better yet, don't support military interventions that destroy other countries and result in milions of refugees wanting to come to your country.
 

keldon

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Registered Member
Better yet, don't support military interventions that destroy other countries and result in milions of refugees wanting to come to your country.

You can be 100% sure i'm not supporting those warmongering the NATO does. The greatest shame and disgrace of SPD/Green party government in 2000s was to jump right into the mess.

I do think Germany as the de facto dominant power in europe bears a lot of responsibilties regarding the situation in middle east/north africa, but it's not like i can change the policies and end this madness.

Realistically speaking i don't even think it is possible for Germany to just say "it is amoral what we do in that particular part of the world and we will stop right now", because it is firmly integrated in the NATO and the politician suggeting this can kiss his career goodbye or worse.
 

solarz

Brigadier
You can be 100% sure i'm not supporting those warmongering the NATO does. The greatest shame and disgrace of SPD/Green party government in 2000s was to jump right into the mess.

I do think Germany as the de facto dominant power in europe bears a lot of responsibilties regarding the situation in middle east/north africa, but it's not like i can change the policies and end this madness.

Realistically speaking i don't even think it is possible for Germany to just say "it is amoral what we do in that particular part of the world and we will stop right now", because it is firmly integrated in the NATO and the politician suggeting this can kiss his career goodbye or worse.

All actions have consequences, and in the end, what goes around comes around.

The solution is not to simply close off borders and shunt the refugees off to another country. This will only accelerate the disintegration of the EU and will create a fertile recruiting ground among the disenfranchised refugees for extremism.

At the same time, EU countries cannot continue with their current ways of accomodating refugees. Security needs to be heightened, law enforcement needs to build relationships with key leaders in the refugee communities in order to gain timely intelligence on any suspicious activity, funds need to be allocated not to just provide the refugees with food and shelter, but also work opportunities.

Equally important, new foreign policies must be enacted to stop the destabilization of Syria. Work with Assad and Russia to stamp out "moderate" al-Qaeda rebels and ISIS alike. Help rebuild Syria into a stable nation to stem the influx of new refugees. Acknowledge that sometimes stability needs iron-handed dictators.

Of course, none of this is likely to happen. Politicians have no real incentive to stop terrorism. After all, it provides them with the justification to take away civil liberties, pass secret laws, and make money for their corporate sponsors.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Three points I want to make:

1. Germany is relatively more reluctant to the oversea adventures unlike the other two major EU powers, namely UK and France. UK was always active in oversea intervention and destabilizing of countries around Europe, from Iraq to Syria. France was reluctant during Jacques Chirac's presidency, invasion of Iraq is a good example. Unfortunately, his successor Nicolas Sarkozy was trigger happy, Libya and Syria. His opposition counterpart François Hollande was trigger happy too. So I would think Germany was more of passively being dragged into the actions due to being a member of EU and NATO. The German reluctance can also be seen in her milder tone in Ukrainian crisis.

2. The fact that both François Hollande and Nicolas Sarkozy are active in getting into the wars even they are from opposite political camps, the fact that Nicolas Sarkozy turned his party's position 180 degrees from his predecessor Jacques Chirac and the fact that the German SDP and green party (usually would be expected to be anti-war) were warmongers all indicate that politicians in a western democracy do not have a long term strategy or political principle. Their decision follows the mood of the populace who is then lead by the sensational news articles and bloody photos from media which is then controlled by somebody. There is no way the individual politician can or will or able to do anything against the tide, that is political suicidal. They are only the speaker or executor of that somebody, the populace is just brainwashed by the somebody through the media.

3. One person can be rational, but the behavior of a group of rational people may not be rational, the behavior of a mix of rational and irrational people is totally irrational.

So, I would blame less the individual politicians, but blame both the institution for its faulty design and the population for their irrational and emotional behavior.
 
related to May 4, 2016
what an outrage! countries trying to protect their safety would have to pay €250,000 per Migrant!
EU executive to propose asylum reforms and approve Turkey visa deal

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May 5, 2016
I didn't know a migrant can be worth that much or even have a substantial monetary value on them.o_O
in low-income countries like the Czech Rep., €250,000 is huge money, I'll give you one example: off top of my head, Czech Military budget (22 thousand active duty + 8 thousand other employees to feed in addition to the leasing of one Squadron of Gripens :) and other expenditures to pay) is about 42e9/27 = 1.5556 billion of Euro per year; dividing 1.5556e9/250e3 would mean the fine for avoiding just 6222 Migrants

It's all just a proposal right now, I doubt it would fly (get passed by Brussels).
if I find out, I'll post here
only now I saw something related (I would answer it with two words :)
Cut funds to states that turn away refugees, Italy urges EU
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Equation

Lieutenant General
related to May 4, 2016


May 5, 2016

only now I saw something related (I would answer it with two words :)
Cut funds to states that turn away refugees, Italy urges EU
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I can see how it is a burden for Italy to take on all of these refugees in the first hand, but at the same time the EU could risk losing the good will of all those Eastern European and former Communist states. Heck I wouldn't be surprise if Putin's Russia would try to take a swipe at it to get more favorable trade deals and geopolitical points with all those eastern bloc nations.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
Nothing to see here. It's just regular 4 meter high wall between the newly erected 'refugees' settlement and regular German people. Of course stupid jokes about WWII and ghettos all around Europe shouldn't be used here. As we all know, Germany is now different country and they love their multi-layered, multi-cultural and 'multi-colored' society as we can all see in this video.

 
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