Europe Refugee Crisis

taxiya

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regarding the "Sniper training", there is an English clarification from the author of that article. here is the link
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It is a Olympic biathlon training program.

Once a person abtained a legal resident permit, rejecting the person's chance to be enrolled to such program is generally against the law (at least the Swedish law). The state can either reject immigration of people from a certain place or from certain situation (in this case, refugees from ME), or must grant relevant rights according to its own law after letting them in. A special treatment has no legal base.

I am not advocating the first option though.
 

Air Force Brat

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regarding the "Sniper training", there is an English clarification from the author of that article. here is the link
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It is a Olympic biathlon training program.

Once a person abtained a legal resident permit, rejecting the person's chance to be enrolled to such program is generally against the law (at least the Swedish law). The state can either reject immigration of people from a certain place or from certain situation (in this case, refugees from ME), or must grant relevant rights according to its own law after letting them in. A special treatment has no legal base.

I am not advocating the first option though.

Thank you for confirming that for us, it makes me feel much better, I'm just praying that at least some of those people will recognize the Western Christian kindness and concern is not weakness, but the power of love.

Europe is a refuge of peace and kindness, I pray for each of you in those countries that your government will exercise wisdom, it is indeed heartbreaking the genocide that was birthed by the so called "Arab Spring", no one has suffered more greatly than the Arab peoples. Sadly that suffering continues to spread. Now to these who are trying so hard to help.
 

Air Force Brat

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Interesting article from RT
Indeed, Danish
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were seen playing with refugee children on motorways instead of doing their job of enforcing the law. They were lauded as heroes in the media. They acted like women with soft hearts and not as men entrusted with defending their country and the rule of law.

I will assume that you have no children, but I will say this, one thing my Dad did for me was to play with me, and spend a few moments here and there? Picking up the airplanes he saw that I had, to arc them gracefully around the sky, giving me the my first and most basic aerobatic maneuvers. He was gone a lot in the military, he was a very courageous, brave, talented, airman, but those moments that he invested in my life, made me a pilot!

Those cops, spending a few minutes with those kids, will pay off when those brothers come home to their master,,,, even Jesus defended the importance of time spent with children, no doubt they are sowing seeds of kindness, and giving them an example of what a truly strong man does, he protects and defends little people, women, and old people. God Bless each of them and all the people of Europe for their many kindnesses.
 

taxiya

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This is always a difficult situation. A real dilemma, there is no simple way. Let me put it this way.

There is limit of land, work, house, resources. A country, no matter how kind its people is or what idea it holds, is limited by these factors. There is also the cultural differences, some times huge.

So on the one hand, the country can not let everyone in. Just like a lifeboat will sink if it overloads.
But on the other hand, it is tougher for an individual (including a police officer or a soldier) to be tough when looking at a child, a woman or an elder in the eyes, that is human nature.

So personally, if I am to make a decision, I will only let in the weak, that is children, women and elders. Single men will not, as I would ask them why they abandoned their family as I expect men should put their family first at all cost.

Cultural difference is also a matter that can't be ignored. In an analoge, letting in immigrants is like marriage, two peoples instead of two individuals. A working marriage is based on mutual respect and mutually self-change, if it doesn't work, two individuals can peacefully divorce giving each other freedom. But there is no divorce in case that refugees becoming permanently settled and the gap is not mended, it would be akin to a forced marriage forever, something most countries have thrown away.
 

Air Force Brat

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This is always a difficult situation. A real dilemma, there is no simple way. Let me put it this way.

There is limit of land, work, house, resources. A country, no matter how kind its people is or what idea it holds, is limited by these factors. There is also the cultural differences, some times huge.

So on the one hand, the country can not let everyone in. Just like a lifeboat will sink if it overloads.
But on the other hand, it is tougher for an individual (including a police officer or a soldier) to be tough when looking at a child, a woman or an elder in the eyes, that is human nature.

So personally, if I am to make a decision, I will only let in the weak, that is children, women and elders. Single men will not, as I would ask them why they abandoned their family as I expect men should put their family first at all cost.

Cultural difference is also a matter that can't be ignored. In an analoge, letting in immigrants is like marriage, two peoples instead of two individuals. A working marriage is based on mutual respect and mutually self-change, if it doesn't work, two individuals can peacefully divorce giving each other freedom. But there is no divorce in case that refugees becoming permanently settled and the gap is not mended, it would be akin to a forced marriage forever, something most countries have thrown away.

Women, children, the elderly, and nuclear families that are intact and healthy and have a desire and the ability to become productive members of a nation. Young men should be encouraged to join the effort to repatriate their countries with the help of this coalition. Sexual assault should simply be a zero tolerance issue, those who are found guilty should be rounded up and sent to the bad place??
 
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World | Fri Feb 5, 2016 11:31am EST Related: WORLD, GERMANY
German spy agency says ISIS sending fighters disguised as refugees
BERLIN

Islamic State militants have slipped into Europe disguised as refugees, the head of Germany's domestic intelligence agency (BfV) said on Friday, a day after security forces thwarted a potential IS attack in Berlin.

Hans-Georg Maassen said the terrorist attacks in Paris last November had shown that Islamic State was deliberately planting terrorists among the refugees flowing into Europe.

"Then we have repeatedly seen that terrorists ... have slipped in camouflaged or disguised as refugees. This is a fact that the security agencies are facing," Maassen told ZDF television.

"We are trying to recognize and identify whether there are still more IS fighters or terrorists from IS that have slipped in," he added.

The Berliner Zeitung newspaper cited Maassen on Friday as saying that the BfV had received more than 100 tip-offs that there were Islamic State fighters among the refugees currently staying in Germany.

German fears about an attack have risen since the Paris killings. On Thursday, German forces arrested two men suspected of links to Islamic State militants preparing an attack in the German capital.

Authorities also canceled a friendly international soccer match in Hanover last year and closed stations in Munich at New Year due to security concerns.

Maassen, however, warned against alarm.

"We are in a serious situation and there is a high risk that there could be an attack. But the security agencies, the intelligence services and the police authorities are very alert and our goal is to minimize the risk as best we can," he said.

(Reporting by Caroline Copley; Editing by Tom Heneghan)
 

Zool

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This is going to leave a mark on Turkey-Europe (and European) relations and cause real problems for Merkel at home if she appears to be giving in to Erdogan:

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PUBLISHED 09:42 FEBRUARY 9, 2016
UPDATED 10:35 FEBRUARY 9, 2016
A leaked document reveals a conversation between the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker and President of the European Council, Donald Tusk.

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Before the EU Turkey November agreement, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened the EU leaders to flood Europe with refugees in case they don’t accept his demands.

Greek website, Euro2day,
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what looks like a readout of the G20 meeting between Erdogan and the President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker and President of the European Council, Donald Tusk.

The account of the meeting, in English, was reproduced in a digital scan on the Greek website (see bottom of this article). Even though it doesn’t state when or where the meeting took place, Reuters reported that it appears to have been on November 16 in Antalya, Turkey, where the three met after a G20 summit there.

In the meeting Erdogan, requested billions of euros in aid and re-opening of the EU accession talks or else Turkey “can open the doors to Greece and Bulgaria anytime and put the refugees on buses.”

Then Erdogan asked Juncker and Tusk, “so how will you deal with refugees if you don’t get a deal? Kill the refugees?” Tusk answered that Europe can make itself less attractive to the refugees, but that’s not the solution the Union wants.

Erdogan stressed that the EU multi-billion aid must be per year and he continued by dictating the EU officials about how “we” (referring to the EU and Turkey) should have used the Greek bailout money. Erdogan said that “Greece got more than €400 billion during euro crisis. We should have invested some of that money into a safe zone in Syria, which would have solved all problems with refugees.”

Then Tusk tried to explain to Erdogan that the Greek bailout money are loans by Eurozone Member States and were also given to secure the sustainability of the Eurozone economy, and had nothing to do with the refugee crisis. Then, Erdogan said that the EU aid to Turkey will be given for the survival of Schengen, which is an EU project. Juncker replied by saying that if Schengen is gone, then Turkey can have no visa-free deal with the EU.

The Turkish leader then attacked Juncker saying that the EU is mocking Turkey for 53 years, saying that the Union has done nothing for Turkey.

Juncker replied and said that Turkey hasn’t always been a democracy for example. Erdogan answered back by saying that neither were Germany and the UK, which lead to a great war and he dictated Juncker not to compare Turkey with Luxembourg as “Luxembourg is like a town in Turkey.”

The tense negotiations finally led to an
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, as the two sides agreed at the end of November, that Turkey’s accession process needs to be re-energized, and an initial €3 billion will be given in assistance. Turkey on the other hand, is now obliged to limit the refugee influx in the EU.

Greek reactions

Euro2day, reported that the EU leaders didn’t notify the Greek government nor the leaders of the EU Member States, for the comments made by Erdogan. The website underlines that the Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, had visited Turkey the day after the tense meeting between the EU leaders and Erdogan.

Reuters’ also reported that the Euro2day report prompted a member of the European Parliament from the Greek right-center party The River to ask the European Commission to confirm the purported talks.

“If the relevant dialogues between the EU officials and the Turkish President are true, it seems that there are aspects of the deal between Ankara and the EU which were concealed on purpose,” Miltos Kyrkos said in the question he submitted to the Commission.

“We want immediately an answer on whether these revelations are true and where the Commission’s legitimacy to negotiate, using Turkey’s accession course as a trump card, is coming from,” Kyrkos said.

Euro2day’s report remains unconfirmed by both the Turkish government and the EU institutions.

Merkel’s visit to Ankara

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and German Chancellor Angela Merkel is blaming the European Commission for conducting “wrong” negotiations.

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as she believes that the European refugee crisis will be fixed only if Turkey stop the refugee influx.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
So now we have naked blackmail to add to the already extensive list of misdemeanours Turkey has been racking up in recent years.

Erdogan is really going into full unabashed thug mode and dragging Turkey down with him.
 

solarz

Brigadier
So now we have naked blackmail to add to the already extensive list of misdemeanours Turkey has been racking up in recent years.

Erdogan is really going into full unabashed thug mode and dragging Turkey down with him.

Erdogan is playing with fire. he is asking for money from the EU, but money alone cannot solve a migration crisis. Turkey has its own hands full right now, and sooner or later, their support for ISIS will blow up in their faces.
 

Jeff Head

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Registered Member
So now we have naked blackmail to add to the already extensive list of misdemeanours Turkey has been racking up in recent years.

Erdogan is really going into full unabashed thug mode and dragging Turkey down with him.
Let's not rush too much.

This is a supposedly "leaked" document that itself says that "it looks like" a "readout" of the meeting.

Let's see what the response to this is before we take it at face value.
 
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