Effectiveness of China's Air Defence?

no_name

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The PLAAF can use target drones.

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They might make low radar observability to it to simulate stealthy aircraft. Though I dunno how they are going to simulate electronic/countermeasures that the F-22 is expected to have?
 
i was thinking how u can simulate a f-22 shootdown at all. even if the exercise worked, by no means will it be worth any use because it's unrealistic
 

nemo

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i was thinking how u can simulate a f-22 shootdown at all. even if the exercise worked, by no means will it be worth any use because it's unrealistic

It may be easier to simulate stealth aircraft than you might think -- especially with everything now is controlled by computer. You can simulate stealth aircraft simply by decrease the sensitivity of radar by x db -- or if you want to be fancy, decrease the sensitivity only for a certain IFF code which is broadcast by the drone simulating the stealth aircraft. The missile can also be modified likewise to reduce the effectiveness of the sensor. All these can be implemented quite easily, if they have not been build into the software already.
 

siegecrossbow

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It may be easier to simulate stealth aircraft than you might think -- especially with everything now is controlled by computer. You can simulate stealth aircraft simply by decrease the sensitivity of radar by x db -- or if you want to be fancy, decrease the sensitivity only for a certain IFF code which is broadcast by the drone simulating the stealth aircraft. The missile can also be modified likewise to reduce the effectiveness of the sensor. All these can be implemented quite easily, if they have not been build into the software already.

Once again we have the problem of the F-22's actual RCS (which I believe to be top secret right now). Any ways how a bunch of journalists from Hong Kong are able to get the info that China is experimenting with anti-F-22 missiles is beyond me.
 

nemo

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Once again we have the problem of the F-22's actual RCS (which I believe to be top secret right now). Any ways how a bunch of journalists from Hong Kong are able to get the info that China is experimenting with anti-F-22 missiles is beyond me.

China is developing it's own equivalent of F-22. Conceivably China can use that to approximate the performance of F-22. It's not necessary to get the precise figure, just approximate will do. Stealth technology is after all at least twenty years old -- the basic physics is known and China now has the tools and resources to develop the technology. What make you think China cannot develop something close to F-22 -- note for this a paper design will do, not the actual aircraft.
 

plawolf

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HK newpapers are nortorusly bad in the reliability field when it comes to defense reporting. I do not know the paper all these claims stemmed from, but i would not be surprised if it was some sort of tablod.

It is perfectly possible, if not highly probable that China is developing and practicing means of shooting down stealth aircraft like the f22. But that is not something you would expect HK newspapers to have any inside scoop on.

Talk of using the xxj to simulate the f22 is plainly impossible with the prototype not even flown yet. They may have developed test vehicles to evaluate stealth design principles and technologies that they could then used to simulate stealth targets, but that has no evidence to back it up and would be pure speculation.

I would not trust anything you read in HK newspapers unless it had a credible source and the story is also reported elsewhere
 

siegecrossbow

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China is developing it's own equivalent of F-22. Conceivably China can use that to approximate the performance of F-22. It's not necessary to get the precise figure, just approximate will do. Stealth technology is after all at least twenty years old -- the basic physics is known and China now has the tools and resources to develop the technology. What make you think China cannot develop something close to F-22 -- note for this a paper design will do, not the actual aircraft.

Read Plawolf's response. He mirrors my opinion closely.
 

nemo

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HK newpapers are nortorusly bad in the reliability field when it comes to defense reporting. I do not know the paper all these claims stemmed from, but i would not be surprised if it was some sort of tablod.

It is perfectly possible, if not highly probable that China is developing and practicing means of shooting down stealth aircraft like the f22. But that is not something you would expect HK newspapers to have any inside scoop on.

Talk of using the xxj to simulate the f22 is plainly impossible with the prototype not even flown yet. They may have developed test vehicles to evaluate stealth design principles and technologies that they could then used to simulate stealth targets, but that has no evidence to back it up and would be pure speculation.

I would not trust anything you read in HK newspapers unless it had a credible source and the story is also reported elsewhere


While there may be doubt on the reliability of the source and there is no source backing my speculation, I do point out this is very feasible to do. They only need the design spec of their own XXJ to know how much to decrease the sensitivity of the radar and missles -- they can use existing drone and aircraft, if their RCS is already know.

And may I point out anti-cruise missiles and anti-stealth aircraft capability (三防) are areas they are pursing, and there are creditable sources on this.

My logic is this -- if they wanted to do this and it is feasible (maybe not even the method I described), then they are doing it, providing they work out how to use the limited sensor with some measure of effectiveness. It may well be that they are testing out the tactics.
 
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Blitzo

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While there may be doubt on the reliability of the source and there is no source backing my speculation, I do point out this is very feasible to do. They only need the design spec of their own XXJ to know how much to decrease the sensitivity of the radar and missles -- they can use existing drone and aircraft, if their RCS is already know.

And may I point out anti-cruise missiles and anti-stealth aircraft capability (三防) are areas they are pursing, and there are creditable sources on this.

My logic is this -- if they wanted to do this and it is feasible (maybe not even the method I described), then they are doing it, providing they work out how to use the limited sensor with some measure of effectiveness. It may well be that they are testing out the tactics.
Well they don't even need the RCS of the J-XX to simulate an F-22, espicially as the J-XX probably won't be as stealthy.

Everything else I agree with.
 

nemo

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HK newpapers are nortorusly bad in the reliability field when it comes to defense reporting. I do not know the paper all these claims stemmed from, but i would not be surprised if it was some sort of tablod.

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OK. there is actually an creditable source -- People's Daily. So they did actually shoot down a low observable target.
 
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