Effectiveness of China's Air Defence?

bladerunner said:

THe two Chinese Colonels publication of "Unrestricted Warefare"no doubt with the tacit approval of the Politburo reflects the tactics involved in "asymetric warfare"in which the PLA are more than willing to use.They also acknowledge this would result in the bluring of the boundaries between the militarty and civilian spheres.

In which case I feel the US. is more than justified in retaliating by targeting civilian or dual use infrusture by what ever means possible.Smart bombs and guided missiles should see minimal civilian casulties, (but invariably the odd rocket/ bomb could go astray). THat means Ports and dockyards and whatever wherever they maybe should be attacked, winding their clocks back as far as possible, using conventional means BECAUSE........

(We had an earthquake hear last night pt7)its knocked out power and communications) being in a rural area ive got my own generator, and using a satellite delivered internet service which is working slowly, the normal broadband is down so i am unable to refresh my memory by dowloading the summarised translated version of "Unrestricted Warfare" so im a little unsure with some aspects of there writing

However in response to your usage of terrorism I think the Pla are ok with that, as they are prepared to use it themselves. as well as the use of 5th columinsts.

Another aspect is the acknowlgement that fewer battle deaths but maximum casulties is far better,because it puts a greater strain on the infrasturcture in providing care. As a example I think they inferred would be prefareable to blind half a million people, than kill a few thou.

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That's plain silly and is based on a complete warping between the boundaries between private opinion of individuals and national policy.

There are far right talk radio hosts who have advocated using nuclear weapons against China. That is no more representative of US policy then the private opinions voiced in a booked targeting the domestic market to make some money and fame.

It seems you have also thrown in some fantasy into your interpretation with this 5th column non-sense. Where did that come from exactly? Please don't tell us you are one of 'those' people who think your local Chinese takeaway will spontaneously morph into a tank and everyone with an oriental appearance will suddenly whip out their little red book and Kalashnikov and start taking over America?

bladerunner said:

Bltizo said:

PS: What'd you mean by "the pla are ok with terrorism" thing? That would be assuming we're taking the whole book as part of PLA doctrine (which again I say is a big stretch), but even then the statement's kinda confusing.
Yes , but purely my own opinionthat morally they shouldnt be able to

My recollection over some aspects of the book are rather hazy.

However i think the word terrorism was attached to a whole batch of scenarios, such as eco terrorism embarking on a way to create unusual weather patterns to cause mahem

financial terrorism, (creating financial instability, the activities of Soros etc. an acknowledgment that they could be on the receiving end from this one

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Just a side note eco-terrorism refers to "hippies" like the Unabomber who commits terrorist acts in protest of environmental degradation and not mad scientists screwing around with the weather.

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plawolf said:

It seems you have also thrown in some fantasy into your interpretation with this 5th column non-sense. Where did that come from exactly? Please don't tell us you are one of 'those' people who think your local Chinese takeaway will spontaneously morph into a tank and everyone with an oriental appearance will suddenly whip out their little red book and Kalashnikov and start taking over America?

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bladerunner said:

From memory. I think the translation of"Unrestricted Warfare" was a CIA one, along with the translation, came "a take of what it all meant" 5th columnist was just one very small element upon pages of interpretation that was mentioned as part of the presentation of the various scenarios/ immplication of such an approach

Disregarding your silly rant about takeaway bars hiding 5th columinsts with tanks and guns, why dont you consider it in a more mature manner?

One point of view of what Asymetric/Unrestricted warfare could result in was less reliance on bombs, soilders, and general body count, was to reduce the ability/will to want to fight through other means as well. Netcentric warfare for eg. Having people sympathetic to the Chinese cause by spreading disinformation is one thing, intel gathering for another, other slow disruptive means without placing themselves at risk are also avaliable such as niggly little bits of inconspiccous sabotage in production lines perhaps? China as a champion of the third world so to speak may have people of other nationalities that provide support.

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Rising China said:

:china::china::china:

China Simulates Shooting Down U.S. F-22 Stealth Fighter

The PLA recently staged an intercept exercise targeting the F-22 Raptor stealth fighter, according to a report in Hong Kong’s Apple Daily Thursday.
The exercise appears to have been staged in response to October 3 reports in Japanese media that in November the U.S. and Japan would conduct a joint exercise to practice retaking the disputed Senkaku or Diaoyutai Islands in case the Chinese capture them in a surprise attack. U.S. nuclear-powered aircraft carrier George Washington and F-22 Raptors are reported to be planning to participate in the exercise.

Five days later, a PLA Air Force brigade in the Chengdu military district practiced firing a Hong Qi No. 9 missile, China’s newest ground-to-air missile. The presumed target was an F-22, Apple Daily reported. Since China does not possess any actual copies of the F-22, the target was presumably a mockup of the F-22.

“Right after the radar sent the information on the location of the stealth fighter to the missile launch team, the Hong Qi No. 9 missile flew into the clouds and an explosion was heard only 40 seconds later,” read an article in Science and Technology Daily reporting on the drill. “There was loud applause for the success of the exercise.”

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Rising China said:

:china::china::china:

China Simulates Shooting Down U.S. F-22 Stealth Fighter

The PLA recently staged an intercept exercise targeting the F-22 Raptor stealth fighter, according to a report in Hong Kong’s Apple Daily Thursday.
The exercise appears to have been staged in response to October 3 reports in Japanese media that in November the U.S. and Japan would conduct a joint exercise to practice retaking the disputed Senkaku or Diaoyutai Islands in case the Chinese capture them in a surprise attack. U.S. nuclear-powered aircraft carrier George Washington and F-22 Raptors are reported to be planning to participate in the exercise.

Five days later, a PLA Air Force brigade in the Chengdu military district practiced firing a Hong Qi No. 9 missile, China’s newest ground-to-air missile. The presumed target was an F-22, Apple Daily reported. Since China does not possess any actual copies of the F-22, the target was presumably a mockup of the F-22.

“Right after the radar sent the information on the location of the stealth fighter to the missile launch team, the Hong Qi No. 9 missile flew into the clouds and an explosion was heard only 40 seconds later,” read an article in Science and Technology Daily reporting on the drill. “There was loud applause for the success of the exercise.”

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