East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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LesAdieux

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For all you warmongers here this article will show you what's really happening behind the scenes in China Japan relations. Despite all the bluster and threats on both sides the economic relations between the two countries is booming.

research on "economic interdependence and war" is not conclusive, neither China nor jp is paying any attention to
the economic impact anyway. a sharp and short war will have limited economic impact.
 

plawolf

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Enough on war talks shall we...

Stay focus &

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before this thread is locked...

Not sure if you meant it, but that picture would also make a pretty amusing spoof 'informational illustration' on the importance of not deviating from your flight plan while inside the new Chinese ADIZ. :p
 

A.Man

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This is the best way to breach the line of First Island Chain against China!

Taiwan 'aerotropolis' plan buoyed by Chinese tourists

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Taipei (AFP) - Taiwan's ambitions to become a regional air hub finally look set to take off with approval for a mega "aerotropolis" to cash in on improving ties with China and the rise of budget airlines in the region.





The ambitious plan to transform the main Taoyuan International Airport into a regional aviation centre is tipped to attract more than $16 billion in investment for the island's biggest infrastructure project in more than three decades.

Covering nearly 7,000 hectares (17,000 acres), the "aerotropolis" will include a free trade zone, a third terminal at the airport and an industrial park to house goods-distribution and aviation-related industries.

First mooted in the booming 1990s by the then Kuomintang government, the project stalled after elections in 2000 when the Democratic Progressive Party ended the KMT's 51-year grip on power.

With the KMT now back in power and the economy faltering, President Ma Ying-jeou revived the project during his 2008 re-election campaign.

Since then, government agencies have been working out the details of the mammoth undertaking which could generate more than 200,000 jobs.

The project is now set to take off from the drawing board after the interior ministry recently gave the nod to its urban development plans.

"The approval of the urban development plans marks a major step forward in the development of the Taoyuan aerotropolis project," Wu Chih-yang, the head of the Taoyuan county government told a recent news conference in Taipei.




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"From now on, the project will get off from the paperwork stage," he said.

Wu estimated that within the next 15 years the government and private sector could pour up to Tw$500 billion ($16.5 billion) into the project, the island's biggest national infrastructure plan since the late 1970s.

Up to 260,000 jobs would be created by the project which he said "if properly carried out, could help the economy get up and running again".

Critics and the opposition say the project is intended to help sway voters for mayoral elections in November and the faltering economy has been the biggest source of mounting complaints against Ma's administration.

Once one of Asia's most dynamic economies, Taiwan grew just 1.48 percent in 2011, 2.11 percent in 2012 and is predicted to rise 2.82 percent this year.

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Despite the economic gloom, Taiwan has enjoyed a dramatic rise in tourist arrivals, thanks largely to improving ties with former bitter rival China over the past few years.




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Taoyuan International Airport, west of Taipei, had its original terminal renovated last year after three decades in operation as it could not cope with the increased passenger traffic, much of it from China.

A third runway is scheduled for completion by 2020, 10 years earlier than originally scheduled.

The airport is predicted to see its annual cargo handling capacity nearly triple to 4.5 million tonnes by 2030, up from 1.7 million tonnes last year, and passenger capacity double to 60 million visits from now.

"The airport's passenger load has seen double-digit growth in the past two years. This definitely had something to do with the improvement of cross-strait ties and direct flight links," said Wen Yung-sung, spokesman for the Taoyuan Airport Corp, the firm in charge of the airport's management and development.

The rise of budget airlines in the region has also contributed to the massive influx of tourists, helping to bring in lots of young travellers from Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Japan, he said.

Foreign tourists made more than eight million visits to Taiwan last year, up from 3.84 million visits in 2008, according to figures from the tourism bureau.

A record 2.85 million Chinese nationals visited the island in 2013, up 10 percent from 2012, four years after a decades-old ban on Chinese tourists was lifted. Taiwan also started allowing Chinese solo tourists in mid-2011.

Despite the rosy picture painted by the authorities, opponents have cast a shadow over the project, which requires the compulsory purchase of more than 3,000 hectares of land for infrastructure and other urban design purposes.

"We doubt the local government has the ability to execute the biggest ever zone expropriation plan in Taiwan," Hsu Po-ren of the Taiwan Rural Front told AFP as many of the residents to be affected have pledged to stop the plans.

Around 8,000 households or 30,000 people would be displaced, he said.

But officials say they are handling the problem and that Taiwan's bold aviation plan will go ahead.

"We've increased staff to handle the thorny zone expropriation issues and stepped up communication with the opponents," said Huang Sui-peng from the county government.

"We believe the (opposition) noise can be reduced and we're optimistic about the progress of the project."
 

Scyth

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U.S., Japan to raise China ADIZ at U.N. meeting

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The United States and Japan will lobby against China’s recently established air defense identification zone during a U.N. civil aviation conference currently being held in Montreal, Japanese government sources said Wednesday.

The two countries plan to express their disapproval of the ADIZ during the late stage of the International Civilian Aviation Organization’s council meetings around mid-March to discuss civil aviation safety measures, the sources said.

They hope the move will block China’s attempt to make its ADIZ, which covers a large area of the East China Sea, an established fact. The zone includes part of the airspace over the Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands, which China claims and calls Diaoyu.

Tokyo and Washington will assess support for their position among ICAO council members, but officials are not certain at this point that discussion of the ADIZ will appear in the meeting’s official agenda.

To avoid accusations of fomenting conflict, the countries will not refer to China by name in their appeals.

In negotiations preceding the decision to raise the issue, Washington and Tokyo agreed to express their view that China’s demand for the flight plans of civilian aircraft to be declared prior to entering the ADIZ violates the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea. They will also emphasize the importance of protecting freedom of navigation in international waters and airspace, the sources said.

The United States and Japan hope to “encircle” China with the cooperation of Britain, Australia and the member states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, they said.

If the United States and Japan can broaden agreement on the issue among council members, it will place significant pressure on China to rescind the zone, one of the sources said.

However, some countries on the ICAO council believe that the gathering of civilian aviation specialists is not an appropriate venue for raising political issues, Japanese diplomatic sources said.

Japan also raised the issue of China’s ADIZ at an ICAO council meeting last November
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Here we go again.


japantimes said:
They hope the move will block China’s attempt to make its ADIZ
"Attempt"...the ADIZ is already up and running....there isn't anything about it that is "an attempt"...
 
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plawolf

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Sometimes you look at all the silly stunts the Japanese government tries to pull and really wonder who does their research and due diligence before the government makes such nonsensical complaints to the UN. :rolleyes:
 

siegecrossbow

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Sometimes you look at all the silly stunts the Japanese government tries to pull and really wonder who does their research and due diligence before the government makes such nonsensical complaints to the UN. :rolleyes:

If they are willing to make the slightest concession, just a teeny tiny bit, they can make the whole situation so much more advantageous toward them. They have the upper hand in media propaganda but they ruin it with dumb moves like honoring WWII war criminals. Sometimes I can't help but wonder whose sides those guys are really on.
 

Air Force Brat

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If they are willing to make the slightest concession, just a teeny tiny bit, they can make the whole situation so much more advantageous toward them. They have the upper hand in media propaganda but they ruin it with dumb moves like honoring WWII war criminals. Sometimes I can't help but wonder whose sides those guys are really on.

Ahhhhhh Siege, hey Siege, aaahhhh, I've been doing a little research, and I think they might want their side to win, you know aaaaahhhhh, if, ya know I mean what if, aaaaaaahhhhh, weeelllll, whhhooos side R you on????, are you a Cowboy?? or an Indian????

no, I don't honor Japanese or Nazi war criminals, but neither do I honor those who stifle or threaten others freedoms, in fact Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush talked about people having the freedom to exercise their own God given rights, so no, the first people I have "contempt" for are those in my own country who are busy attempting to take away my freedoms and yours. but honestly, every man on the Sino Defense forum flys under "their" own flag, I make it clear in every post that I fly the Stars and Stripes, or maybe the Jolly Roger???? hhhaaaaarrrrrvvvvv
 

siegecrossbow

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Ahhhhhh Siege, hey Siege, aaahhhh, I've been doing a little research, and I think they might want their side to win, you know aaaaahhhhh, if, ya know I mean what if, aaaaaaahhhhh, weeelllll, whhhooos side R you on????, are you a Cowboy?? or an Indian????

no, I don't honor Japanese or Nazi war criminals, but neither do I honor those who stifle or threaten others freedoms, in fact Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush talked about people having the freedom to exercise their own God given rights, so no, the first people I have "contempt" for are those in my own country who are busy attempting to take away my freedoms and yours. but honestly, every man on the Sino Defense forum flys under "their" own flag, I make it clear in every post that I fly the Stars and Stripes, or maybe the Jolly Roger???? hhhaaaaarrrrrvvvvv

I would love to fly under the Jolly Rogers. At those guys are frank about their villainy.
 
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