SamuraiBlue
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You simply refuse to accept that it is not "Someone's" air space it is INTERNATIONAL airspace that anyone is assured free passage and loitering.
East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone
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You simply refuse to accept that it is not "Someone's" air space it is INTERNATIONAL airspace that anyone is assured free passage and loitering.
Not exactly, it's more like, we can spy on each other, but the difference in ability to act on such spying is considered a threat to our security.
Again, like I said, it isn't the surveillance itself which is the problem, but rather the ability to act on it.
Equation
Lieutenant General
And you are denying that by playing with fire near someone's air space won't get you burn? "International" doesn't mean consequence free.
SamuraiBlue
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Stop deflecting the problem by shifting the topic. It is not a ADIZ problem, the problem is the pure amateurish reckless act displayed by the pilot doing a barrel roll around another airplane which places people on both vehicles in danger.
The last one is pure snipping that is also not tolerated.
Actually in the real world it does, nobody minds the Chinese intercepting our recon birds, really, who cares??? If we did we would be doing recon with a coupla retired SR-71s, and a coupla dozen Raptors. Who cares if the whole Chinese Air Force comes out and follows you around, what is in dispute are NOT the intercepts, but the recent "threatening manner". The US has Zero intention of starting an incident, or mounting any kind of attack, that is well known in Bejing as well, and I'm sure they find that humorous. Even after an incident the US shows a tremendous amount of restraint.
I don't think anyone is still disputing whether the action was meant to be threatening or whether it was potentially dangerous.
Whether the action can be considered reasonable is the question.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
And there we have it. Is it reasonable? My answer, No.
This is just the latest in a series of incidents where the PLA if not the PRC has engaged in provocative actions against vessels in recognized international waters and air space with the aim of forcing potential and active spy craft totally out. These actions whether trawlers trying to cut the wires of a unarmed ship, ramming and making passes at full naval shipping, extremely provocative maneuvers including direct contact with aircraft are intended to produce a singular result to cut off any and all military intelligence gathering whether actionable or otherwise by foreign nations. The Peoples Liberation Army and possibly the senior Leadership of the Peoples Republic of China wants total control over any information on the PRC available to foreign countries and policy makers.
If that seems a hard line opinion to bad that the message they are sending with these actions. And by the term provocative I mean provocative as in that these activities could easily be taken and considered as acts of war. By shear miracle the parties on the receiving end have played it cool. And in this case and the others the number of lives lost has been low. As the Man once said " You play Chicken long enough eventually you fry."
This is just the latest in a series of incidents where the PLA if not the PRC has engaged in provocative actions against vessels in recognized international waters and air space with the aim of forcing potential and active spy craft totally out. These actions whether trawlers trying to cut the wires of a unarmed ship, ramming and making passes at full naval shipping, extremely provocative maneuvers including direct contact with aircraft are intended to produce a singular result to cut off any and all military intelligence gathering whether actionable or otherwise by foreign nations. The Peoples Liberation Army and possibly the senior Leadership of the Peoples Republic of China wants total control over any information on the PRC available to foreign countries and policy makers.
If that seems a hard line opinion to bad that the message they are sending with these actions. And by the term provocative I mean provocative as in that these activities could easily be taken and considered as acts of war. By shear miracle the parties on the receiving end have played it cool. And in this case and the others the number of lives lost has been low. As the Man once said " You play Chicken long enough eventually you fry."
SinoSoldier
Colonel
The possible violation of these alleged "rules" will not hold much water considering that the recent incident was almost a mirror image of what happened 13 years prior, in which there was not only a lack of a tough response but compensation and apologies in response to aggressive fighter maneuvers. Their modus operandi is unlikely to change at this point, and neither will their response to this incident.
We fail to see how this incident is reflective of the distribution of power amongst the top brass. The pilot, for the lack of further detail, could have executed this move at his own whim (assuming you are referring to the barrel roll). Interceptions are commonplace and expected responses to such patrols and thus the occurrence of such incidents are equally indicative of the abrasiveness of the patrolling nation as they are of the intercepting nation.
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Well at least we're now talking about the right topic.
I think as prudent and reasonable as it is for the US to seek overwhelming military advantages over all its adversaries, it is also prudent and reasonable for any nation threatened to seek and erode those advantages.
The Cuban missile crisis is a good case study. Strategic US power in the era was far superior to the USSR, and their missiles in turkey were an important, if not the important catalyst to the cuban missile emplacement. It was only a crisis because the US found it unreasonable (an extension of the Monroe Doctrine), despite having similarly emplaced nukes in close proximity to its enemy, and more importantly they had the resources to force the USSR to capitulate. Had the USSR held sufficient military and political clout as well, they might have exercised similar actions upon Turkey to force the US to remove their nukes instead of responding by using the Cuban option.
The only conclusion one can come to, is that might is indeed right.
SamuraiBlue
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This again is just deflecting the event at hand.
Even if the relationship between the two nations has been strained these past years. The two nations should refrain from taking amateurish and reckless act that may lead to further miscalculations resulting to a conflict.
I predict the US military will continue patrolling the region only with fighter escorts added to the mix. PRC only exacerbated the situation not reducing it.
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