Discussing long term impacts of Ukraine crisis

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Anlsvrthng said:
Everyone miss the huge strategic change in Europe.

If Russia finish Ukriane , and integrate it , then will be the shock.

In that case the NATO is toast, have no more power than the Warsaw pact in 2022 .
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No. That would be a constant reminder to neighbouring countries what could happen if you are not a NATO member.
This will make NATO much stronger and more stable internally than in a very long time with an actual essistential threat / common enemy. That was how things worked in the cold war and that is how things will work out again.
 
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Once Ukraine is absorbed into Russia's sphere of influence or absorbed into Russia proper, i hazard a guess nations immediately bordering the newly enlarged Russosphere might end up being nicer to Russia or stringently neutral as Finland was for the duration of the Cold War.
 
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No. That would be a constant reminder to neighbouring countries what could happen if you are not a NATO member.
This will make NATO much stronger and more stable internally than in a very long time with an actual essistential threat / common enemy. That was how things worked in the cold war and that is how things will work out again.
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Let's stop fooling ourselves. NATO does not exist to protect Europe. NATO exists to wield control over Europe by Anglo/NATO. Anglo/NATO has no interest in defending peripheral (post Cold War expansion) NATO from Russia. In fact they would probably yield to a Russian invasion of peripheral NATO. Their only interest in defending peripheral NATO is control over their vassal states and installed puppet regimes. Anglo/NATO will defend itself against Russia but the purpose of peripheral NATO is more of a buffer area than an alliance.
 
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ArmchairAnalyst said:
No. That would be a constant reminder to neighbouring countries what could happen if you are not a NATO member.
This will make NATO much stronger and more stable internally than in a very long time with an actual essistential threat / common enemy. That was how things worked in the cold war and that is how things will work out again.
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Do you know how the war looks like in a country ?

If you won your country still destroyed, and your family members still dead.

I am sure the USA happy to give missiles, happy to bomb the roads, bridges, cities , dams, power plants and industry of your country to stop the forwarding Russian troops, means if the Russians will not destroy the country where your live the USA will be happy to do that.

Very very nice.

Only way to stop Russia to roll over the baltic and Pland is to attack them now.

After occupying Ukraine and integrate the Ukrainan army into the Russian military there is no chance for it .


So, if Russia start to move tanks into Estonia the European countries could choose to start to attack Russia, or back up and accept the new reality.
 
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JamesRed said:
Let's stop fooling ourselves. NATO does not exist to protect Europe. NATO exists to wield control over Europe by Anglo/NATO. Anglo/NATO has no interest in defending peripheral (post Cold War expansion) NATO from Russia. In fact they would probably yield to a Russian invasion of peripheral NATO. Their only interest in defending peripheral NATO is control over their vassal states and installed puppet regimes. Anglo/NATO will defend itself against Russia but the purpose of peripheral NATO is more of a buffer area than an alliance.
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Please tell me the historical evidence for that view? What NATO country has been lost in such a way? Or why the Soviets didn't try to invade a peripheral NATO country or even test that notion back then?
Past history would suggest that you are only fooling yourself to think otherwise :)
 
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Please tell me the historical evidence for that view? What NATO country has been lost in such a way? Or why the Soviets didn't try to invade a peripheral NATO country or even test that notion back then?
Past history would suggest that you are only fooling yourself to think otherwise :)
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Becase the Soviets wasn't interesting to attack other countries, and wasn't aggressive.


The whole thing about "aaggressive and expansionist CCCP/China" is a myth.

All that the Soviets wanted is to live peacefully, without the danger to die do to bombings of your main cities.

What do your think, what is the reasons of the extreme deep metro lines everywhere in the ex CCCP?
 
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ArmchairAnalyst said:
Please tell me the historical evidence for that view? What NATO country has been lost in such a way? Or why the Soviets didn't try to invade a peripheral NATO country or even test that notion back then?
Past history would suggest that you are only fooling yourself to think otherwise :)
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There was no peripheral NATO during the era of the Soviet Union. This is how I defined peripheral NATO in my original post (post Cold War expansion NATO). Are you not aware of this or are you playing dumb?
 

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Anlsvrthng said:
Do you know how the war looks like in a country ?

If you won your country still destroyed, and your family members still dead.

I am sure the USA happy to give missiles, happy to bomb the roads, bridges, cities , dams, power plants and industry of your country to stop the forwarding Russian troops, means if the Russians will not destroy the country where your live the USA will be happy to do that.

Very very nice.

Only way to stop Russia to roll over the baltic and Pland is to attack them now.

After occupying Ukraine and integrate the Ukrainan army into the Russian military there is no chance for it .


So, if Russia start to move tanks into Estonia the European countries could choose to start to attack Russia, or back up and accept the new reality.
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NATO won't invade Russia to liberate an integrated Ukraine. It can't do jack shit about that except dusting off the old cold war play book and all the dirty destabilizing tools again.
 
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