Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Well, it appears for now that Biden is way tougher on China than on Russia. Any chance this could be the beginning of a trend in trying to pull Russia out of China's supposed orbit?
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This decision to relent on trying to subvert Nordstream-2 seems to be just acknowledgement of a failed policy by the Americans.

Cheaper gas means lower costs. That means German people have more money, and German industry lower costs making it more competitive. Not sure why the Americans try to derail this, because they slap people around like this, and expect them to be happy about it.

The Americans are also against Huawei being in Germany. That the Germans would use Huawei 5G in their networks, the rationale of lower costs and being competitive would apply, the same rationale of Nordstream-2.

There is no evidence the German government has budged from their position in 2½ years now.
 
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That the Germans would use Huawei 5G in their networks, the rationale of lower costs and being competitive would apply, the same rationale of Nordstream-2.

There is no evidence the German government has budged from their position in 2½ years now.
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No worries. Germany will 100% change its position when the Greens get elected.
 
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No worries. Germany will 100% change its position when the Greens get elected.
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At this point, I would dismiss the Greens of having any chance of winning in Germany.

Seems to me their chances are hyped up for nefarious reasons bt American media. Reality will arrive soon enough. I truly doubt the Greens have any widespread support in Germany.

Also with radical leftist parties like the Greens, there is a real political naivety to such parties. The more they talk, the more voters will be turned off from their crackpot ideas. For example, this German party supported the cancellation of Nordstream-2; in the news today it is reported that Biden is no longer opposed to its completion. A vote for Green seems to be voting for a political clown, who are against German interests. Unless Americans are voting in this German election, they have no chance based on the issues.

Lastly, this German Green party is very weird, and probably have hidden agendas. Leftist parties are all usually about peace, but this German Green party is a neo-Liberal party. Regarding imperial neo-Liberalism, the German is rather clear, the German people reject American neo-Liberal imperialism. The Germans may support increasing German influence in the EU block, but that solely is for German interests, and not to be at the beckoning of the Americans. The old days are gone.

I started reading this article but lost interest half way through and could not finish it. These are not serious people. They won't win Germany.

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At this point, I would dismiss the Greens of having any chance of winning in Germany.

Seems to me their chances are hyped up for nefarious reasons bt American media. Reality will arrive soon enough. I truly doubt the Greens have any widespread support in Germany.

Also with radical leftist parties like the Greens, there is a real political naivety to such parties. The more they talk, the more voters will be turned off from their crackpot ideas. For example, this German party supported the cancellation of Nordstream-2; in the news today it is reported that Biden is no longer opposed to its completion. A vote for Green seems to be voting for a political clown, who are against German interests. Unless Americans are voting in this German election, they have no chance based on the issues.

Lastly, this German Green party is very weird, and probably have hidden agendas. Leftist parties are all usually about peace, but this German Green party is a neo-Liberal party. Regarding imperial neo-Liberalism, the German is rather clear, the German people reject American neo-Liberal imperialism. The Germans may support increasing German influence in the EU block, but that solely is for German interests, and not to be at the beckoning of the Americans. The old days are gone.

I started reading this article but lost interest half way through and could not finish it. These are not serious people. They won't win Germany.

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Nah Greens are definetely strong and they have high chances that they will win. See this:

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Six out of 10 polls published over the last two weeks instead show an advantage for the Greens, who scraped into sixth place when Germany last went to the polls in 2017. A survey published by pollster Kantar and Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday gave the Greens in a three-point lead, on 27%.
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There is no evidence the German government has budged from their position in 2½ years now.
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That 5G ship has sailed.

If US was at least 18 months behind China in 5G, this whole year of COVID only compounds the issue, so you can easily add another 15 months on top of 18.

Hell, with the speed China is adding base stations and new 5G users, the real gap is likely somewhere between 36 and 48 months, minimum.

I don't know what the current trend is on the sub 6Ghz debate, or if US is sticking to MMW.
 
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Nah Greens are definetely strong and they have high chances that they will win. See this:
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I think at the end, this is a non-story.

The Americans want the Greens to win in Germany, then maybe the CIA gets its wish that the Germans reverse their position on Huawei 5G and ban it. The CIA always the same, they never change. What has changed, they been losing a lot more lately compared to wins racked up by the Chinese.

In the meantime, the German telecom companies will not wait, they will just build.

Furthermore, if one side wins the German election, it still will be a coalition government, because that is how German governments are. It is always a coalition, that must balance all interests of the country.

If the new German coalition government gets into a debate about Huawei 5G, it will be the same debate like today and like yesterday, one side will ask, where is the proof? Especially when the CIA actually hacked into Merkel's phone.

We can already hear the laughter when they go down that road in that debate, if they ever have it.

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Even if Greens win with current projections, they are likely need Die Linke and SDP, both of them might moderate things.
I dont think AfD, CDU/CSU or FDP gonna ally with Green.
 
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I don't know what the current trend is on the sub 6Ghz debate, or if US is sticking to MMW.
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You said it man!

If this was a race, then what are the Americans doing, are they going with the millimeter wave or that sub-6Gha something?

At this point, when China goes on with it build out, we just do not know what it is like in America, because no one tells us in the press.

When it comes to 5G, just seems to me the reporting is detached from reality.

It's too bad, because this seems really interesting, this new tech.

But, we are always bogged down with the politics of it all.
 
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My, why are we still wondering why US defend Israel comitting genocide so strongly? I hope this makes it clearer.

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Yes it's funny isn't it. I've ran across a few people like that with the mentality set back in time to a by gone time of 30 years ago. These people were knocking China's made stuff as cheap crap. Etc.

I then asked them what phones are you using, and they are proudly said iPhone! So I just said why are you using cheap made in China crap! Lol.
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There's an inherent double standards and conditions set against Americans of East Asian descent. Case in point, there was a former national security or state department official of Korean descent who was barred from working on Asian related issues even though he's background is actually more suited for the area of operations and area of responsibility, but nope, the people staffing that dept. were composed of mostly WASP and of Jewish heritage.

And as this article pointed out published a year ago highlighted by this wonderful Anglo-Saxon
LaRae Quy, who worked as an FBI counterintelligence agent for 24 years before retiring in 2006, says she believes the generalizations are justified. People from China, unlike Russians, maintain close ties to the homeland that make them particularly vulnerable to recruiting as spies by Chinese intelligence, she says. “You’re American-born, but you’re Chinese at heart,” But if you're a jew, Irish, German, Canadian, or any western born and bred you're all good; you pass the loyalty test.


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There's an inherent double standards and conditions set against Americans of East Asian descent. Case in point, there was a former national security or state department official of Korean descent who was barred from working on Asian related issues even though he's background is actually more suited for the area of operations and area of responsibility, but nope, the people staffing that dept. were composed of mostly WASP and of Jewish heritage.

And as this article pointed out published a year ago highlighted by this wonderful Anglo-Saxon
LaRae Quy, who worked as an FBI counterintelligence agent for 24 years before retiring in 2006, says she believes the generalizations are justified. People from China, unlike Russians, maintain close ties to the homeland that make them particularly vulnerable to recruiting as spies by Chinese intelligence, she says. “You’re American-born, but you’re Chinese at heart,” But if you're a jew, Irish, German, Canadian, or any western born and bred you're all good; you pass the loyalty test.


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Of course, this kind of mentality from the white American is nothing new. Look at the treatment of ethinc Japanese Americans and German/Italian Americans in WWII. for example. And let's not even go down the amount of ethnic Chinese Americans accused of being CCP agents.
 
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