Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

steel21 said:

No, you don't even need a crisis. When China has 10 CSGs, the Koreans and Japanese positions against China would waver and start to side with China.

Those troops in ROK and JAP are not a significant force, mostly for show/trip-wire.

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I agree as China grows economically, Korea/Japan will side with China on economic matters more. On security issues, Korea is barely an independent nation....

US has supreme command and control of South Korea's war-time military operations....the biggest concession of sovereignty in the history of peacetime independent nations....not even Japan which was occupied and defeated gives up supreme control over their self-defense force to US. For reference, China returned supreme command and control of North Korea's military in the 1960's after the Korean war ended but South Koreans are the biggest cucks to their white masters. That's why Trump famously said "" and "" as if Korea is some slave military protectorate...Same as how US arm-twisted S. Korea into accepting THAAD by threatening to withdraw US military troops, Korea has zero spine to stand up to US....

US General on South Korea: "Most Remarkable Concession of Sovereignty in the World"

Basically Koreans have zero balls to stand up to their white masters and with their population at lower fertility rates than even Japan (huge achievement!), I wouldn't be surprised if South Koreans will be extinct as a nation in not too distant future.

Phead128 said:

I agree as China grows economically, Korea/Japan will side with China on economic matters more. On security issues, Korea is barely an independent nation.

US has supreme command and control of Korea's war-time military operations....the biggest concession of sovereignty in the history of independent nations....not even Japan which was occupied and defeated gives up supreme control over their self-defense force to US. For reference, China returned supreme command and control of North Korea's military in the 1960's after the Korean war ended but South Koreans are the biggest cucks to their white masters. That's why Trump famously said "Korea used to be part of China" and "They (Korea) do nothing without US approval" as if Korea is some slave military protectorate...Same as how US arm-twisted S. Korea into accepting THAAD by threatening to withdraw US military troops, Korea has zero spine to stand up to US....

Korea: "Most Remarkable Concession of Sovereignty in the World"

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Agreed. S.Korea and Japan are US puppets. China should do the minimum for keeping relations but nothing more than that.

Unless S.Korea+Japan do something to demonstrate strategic autonomy, then China should consider them an extension of the US. As such, sometimes its more straightforward for China to go straight to the master, the US, and talk with it instead of wasting time on the vassals themselves

I think eventually South Korea and Japan will lean towards China even on security issues. It will take decades. Perhaps into the 2050s or 2060s. The change will be gradual. For everyone's sake, it is probably better happens gradually. Americans are only now realizing the the fact 21st century might not be an ''American century'''.

Hendrik_2000 said:

Please refrain from cursing this is adult forum not some backstreet discussion. You can curse all you want but if the CCP does not follow their own law then she does not have legitimacy at all to govern China

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Just keeping real.

If you want to stick to codified policy, then there is nothing to discuss.

I've always said to my platoon and company commander, if whatever Army Reg can run this outfit, then a private can do your job.

Topazchen said:

What do you suggest China do given that the US weaponised supply Chains to deny companies like Huawei components and put 200 Chinese companies on some so called entity list ?

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Well Biden is looking at the mid-term elections in 2022, and with a sluggish economic growth, excessive indebtedness, Afghanistan blunder, I bet Biden is looking for a "win". This win could very well be economic rapprochement with China, removal of the tariffs, with some face-saving Chinese purchases of treasury notes and recycled promises of IP protection, fentanyl cooperation, and cybersecurity pact. You know, the usual recycled bullshit that usually satisfied the Democrats. (This stuff would have never gotten passed Lighthizer or Pottinger).

If China turned up the heat on Biden in 2022, such as: 1) applying Rare Earth metals ban, 2) dumping US treasury notes causing skyrocketing interest rates, 3) escalating the trade war with reciprical bans on US technology companies in China like Microsoft or Apple, then Biden knows it can hurt US economic growth and business confidence. So Biden is actually incentivized to work with China and drop the trade war and stop Trump's backwards tech policy on China.

Of course, we will have to wait and see.

Phead128 said:

This win could very well be economic rapprochement with China, removal of the tariffs, with some face-saving Chinese purchases of treasury notes and recycled promises of IP protection, fentanyl cooperation, and cybersecurity pact.

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Nah this wont happen. Maybe Biden wants to, but it is not politically safe at al. Actually it is a landmine for him.

Republicans would attack him for being "Beijing Biden", "Xi Biden" etc. No way. Any possible "friendship" with China is extremely tocix to the the US right now. Anyone who recommends such a thing will get cancelled immediately and lose the elections 100%.

That is unless China makes HUGE visible concessions, which is impossible as China needs face as well. If China made such huge concessions it would trigger instability at home and project weakness to the world stage.

And anyway, why should China help Biden or anyone? China has a winning hand. If Biden wants to approach China, then its on them to make visible concessions. Any country which projects weakness now will have tremendous (negative) impact to its international reputation as a strong superpower

Biden messed up badly by shitting a lot of goodwill that the Chinese had for him with his moves. At the end of the day, no matter how hard Biden is on China, he will always being perceived as being weak on China because it is firstly just manipulation and he isn't a Republican. Now, Biden will get the worst of both worlds.

Agnus said:

Biden messed up badly by shitting a lot of goodwill that the Chinese had for him with his moves

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Yes. I remember early on China truly wanted to make up with the US, or at least normalise and improve relations. However as days were passing by Chinese leadership gradually became dismayed with the actions and speeches of Biden's team.

Tha thing which destroyed any ideas about better relations was the Anchorage meeting.

Since then China has hardened its position and has dropped any niceties with the US. Zhao himself said that there is no "cooperate, compete, confront" bs. As long as the US tries to undermine China, then China wont seriously cooperate with US on anything. Yes, even in climate change

Phead128 said:

Well Biden is looking at the mid-term elections in 2022, and with a sluggish economic growth, excessive indebtedness, Afghanistan blunder, I bet Biden is looking for a "win". This win could very well be economic rapprochement with China, removal of the tariffs, with some face-saving Chinese purchases of treasury notes and recycled promises of IP protection, fentanyl cooperation, and cybersecurity pact. You know, the usual recycled bullshit that usually satisfied the Democrats. (This stuff would have never gotten passed Lighthizer or Pottinger).

If China turned up the heat on Biden in 2022, such as: 1) applying Rare Earth metals ban, 2) dumping US treasury notes causing skyrocketing interest rates, 3) escalating the trade war with reciprical bans on US technology companies in China like Microsoft or Apple, then Biden knows it can hurt US economic growth and business confidence. So Biden is actually incentivized to work with China and drop the trade war and stop Trump's backwards tech policy on China.

Of course, we will have to wait and see.

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What then happens in the event Trump or a Trump like figure comes to power in 2024 and people like Lighthizer and Pompeo are back in office?
Should China sit back and hope it won't happen?

Hendrik_2000 said:

Please refrain from cursing this is adult forum not some backstreet discussion. You can curse all you want but if the CCP does not follow their own law then she does not have legitimacy at all to govern China

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I want to reinforce the point that war is hell and brutality incarnate.

You know from the rest of my posts that I have both the experience and training to dive on a whole host of topics, both on and off the battlefield.

It's not some academic debate. If that is your impression of how shit works, then dream on.

Ain't nobody's playing your sanitized game of policy and speech in the halls of power.