CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Jura The idiot]

this:

... Just have to look at the Royal Navy and it's new carrier(s) which will hold 3 times the air wing it will initially go to sea with!

is related to the circumstances in which AT THE SAME TIME

1. the RN is almost broke, for example
   • can't afford sea-mines Apr 5, 2017
   • can't afford AShMs (effective next year) Jan 28, 2017
2. the RN wants to go for 'carrier strike' by F-35Bs off two supercarriers

so when I look at the Royal Navy, I see just how BLUNDEROUS it's become ... and I speculate the Chinese Navy is watching this (also the US 'concurrency' when they develop and procure several technologies, then to try make them work in a hull or airframe) to learn what NOT to do

 

[Iron Man]

this:
is related to the circumstances in which AT THE SAME TIME

1. the RN is almost broke, for example
   • can't afford sea-mines Apr 5, 2017
   • can't afford AShMs (effective next year) Jan 28, 2017
2. the RN wants to go for 'carrier strike' by F-35Bs off two supercarriers

so when I look at the Royal Navy, I see just how BLUNDEROUS it's become ... and I speculate the Chinese Navy is watching this (also the US 'concurrency' when they develop and procure several technologies, then to try make them work in a hull or airframe) to learn what NOT to do

How far the once mighty have fallen. Lord Nelson is surely turning over in his grave.

 

[jon88]

Well.. Great Britain no longer have the finances and resources of an empire that the sun never sets a long time ago. It is no longer a continental sized empire.

 

[FORBIN]

Ulyanovsk Project 11437 is enough similar can be interesting for see the futur Chinese which have normaly plans in more,

79500 t, 321 x 39.5/75 x 10.7 m same mixed propulsion than Kirov same reactors KN-3 but 4 28000 hp to consider Kirov nuclear propulsion allow a max speed of 24 kn range after steam turbines for add power max with 31 kn but range " limited " to 40000 mn.


And same armament than Kuznetsov.

3 elevators 50 t mass
but unusual STOBAR/CATOBAR with 2 cats, CAW 70 aircrafts : 24 Su-33 + 24 Mig-29K + 4 - 6 Yak -44 some 16 -18 Ka-27/29/31

Fighters with A2A loads less heavy used the springboard 60 m, 12°

 

[Jura The idiot]

How far the once mighty have fallen. Lord Nelson is surely turning over in his grave.

Well.. Great Britain no longer have the finances and resources of an empire that the sun never sets a long time ago. It is no longer a continental sized empire.

there are two things,

one is general: Empires rise and fall (and that's OK I mean it's been going on for three thousand years (? personally I don't know much of history before ancient-Greek city-states) so far, and will go on except if humans nuked themselves or something),

but one is relevant here, while looking at Chinese Navy buildup and the RN ... endeavors: what's needed in a case of War is to secure the shores and the maritime traffic, which means convoying, blockade-breaking, ... and I would've asked the Admiralty how optimal is the RN force structure for this, and how optimal it is in this situation to spend ten plus billion pounds on 'power projection' in the way they're being spent (on two STOVL supercarriers), by the way they're also DEcommissioning

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... I'll leave this part now or I start ranting

the Chinese Navy is getting a number of ships for these tasks (patrolling, ASW, ASuW) as far as I can tell, and it's not just money, what matters is the strategy how to spend them! for example the RN instead could've gone for four (? not sure here, and the post is getting long LOL)

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and so on and so forth

 

[Intrepid]

... but one is relevant here, while looking at Chinese Navy buildup and the RN ... endeavors: what's needed in a case of War ...

In case of an conflict the Royal Navy may be part of an international Force. The two British aircraft carriers only substitute an even bigger fleet.

It is not a good idea to compare the concepts of the Roayal Navy with PLANs concepts.

 

[KIENCHIN]

Well.. Great Britain no longer have the finances and resources of an empire that the sun never sets a long time ago. It is no longer a continental sized empire.

It's not even an empire now, without her colonies she is nothing and if the Scots succeeds in gaining independence it will be the begining of the end. If they can't afford the expenses to up keep the present fleet level now where is the money to come from to keep the two QE class.

 

[hkbc]

Not true. In the Indian Ocean/Middle East region India, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Iran, Israel, Pakistan, and in the Western Pacific Vietnam, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, even Singapore, could all mess with 36 J-15s no problem...

Rather than "Not True" I think you meant "In Your Opinion" or "You Disagree"

Despite all the bravado about US aircraft carriers being virtually unsinkable, if it's made from steel and it floats it will sink! So equally a chinese carrier and its airgroup can be dispatched its just a matter of at what cost and that's the basis of my OPINION, the cost will be such to give competing forces pause for thought rather than send most of it's airforce to try and wipe something out.

You don't have to agree with my opinion but "truth" doesn't really come into it.

 

[hkbc]

It's not even an empire now, without her colonies she is nothing and if the Scots succeeds in gaining independence it will be the begining of the end. If they can't afford the expenses to up keep the present fleet level now where is the money to come from to keep the two QE class.

Let's not descend into Brit bashing, my point was to highlight that it takes time, money and effort for carrier operations, using the UK as an example of what happens when you have to start from almost scratch again after a even a brief hiatus. At this point even if the Royal Navy was to be given all the money it needs it will still take time for deliveries from Lockheed Martin for the aircraft and the pilots for those aircraft to be trained and qualified which is the point NOT the UK's going down the tubes!!!

 

[Jura The idiot]

...
but one is relevant here, while looking at Chinese Navy buildup and the RN ... endeavors: what's needed in a case of War ...

In case of an conflict the Royal Navy may be part of an international Force. The two British aircraft carriers only substitute an even bigger fleet.

It is not a good idea to compare the concepts of the Roayal Navy with PLANs concepts.

let me see the part you left out ... right after "what's needed in a case of War" I went on Today at 1:40 PM
"is to secure the shores and the maritime traffic, which means convoying, blockade-breaking, ..."

I think the RN doesn't, and the Chinese Navy does, the strategy oriented this way!

(in a Naval part of a Military Forum, I assume you've heard of the Battle of the Atlantic in WW1 and in WW2, and about

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... you may explain to me how an F-35B, with its weapons bay even smaller than that of the other F-35 variants, would contribute to what I talk here which is protecting the Northern Atlantic (and I'm asking this because the RN is "retiring" for example AShMs and OPVs to be able to pay for the supercarriers+STOVL EDIT another issue is manning, obviously connected to "retiring" the

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) ... or perhaps some other Navy would handle it (which one specifically?!) ... or maybe there's no threat in the Northern Atlantic?? ... if you decided to respond to this part, please do so in
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk-military-news-reports-data-etc.t2437/
as it would be off topic of
PLAN CV-002 Carrier development & News Thread
)