Any updates on the changes being made to the island on the carrier deck mock up in wuhan?
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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Then i guess that could be it. This 75000t figure would also match fzgfzy's figure of 74000t for 002.
I do not recall, when did fzgfzy suggest 002 would displace 74,000 tons?
Check post #832 of this thread.
Oh yes, of course, how did I forget about that.
Looks like ~75,000 tons is the new consensus full displacement to go with then.
Yes, but they will have two carriers of the same design...each capable of a very decent airwing of J-15s, and each capable in its own right of performing China's carrier operations.
My guess is that those two will have some very specific areas of assignment, and that they will be mutually supportive whenever necessary as the PLAN begins operations with the newer CATOBAR carriers.
They wiill use that first CATOBAR carrier similarly to the Liaoning in terms of training up the crews to perform deck and air operations using the new equipment.
That will take some time, just as it did with Liaoning.
In the mean time, they will have developed good proficiency with the other two carrier's operations and use them accordingly.
A curiosity: how does that compares to other non-american carriers? the russian article in wikipedia reads that ulyanovsk would have 79758t full but the english version had 75000t full. can anyone clarify that?
If it is the latter, then 002 could be the largest military ship built outside the US.
Considering the Ulyanovsk was never finished, the largest non US carrier in the world would be CVF or 002 depending on how big it actually is.
The Queen Elizabeth Class indicates about 71,000 tons displacement...but does not indicate if that is standard or full load. My guess is that it is standard. Full load probably somewhat larger..
If the 002 is 75,000 tons standard load, it will be the largest non-American carrier yet built.
Heck, up until the CVF and CV002, the Kuznetsov class, including the Liaoning and now the Shandong, were the largest aircraft carriers built outside of the US.
The US Kitty Hawk class were about 83,090 tons full load, which were the last conventionally powered US carriers built, those four carriers being launched from 1960 to 1967...wow, the last (the JFK) was launched over 50 years ago.
Everything after that (and if you include the Enterprise which was built and launched in the same time frame), has been nuclear. All the Nimitz class were over 100,000 tons. The enterprise was closer to 95,000 tons.
The Ford class will be over 100,000 tons...but basically the same displacement as the Nimitz, even though the Ford flight deck is actually 14 feet longer than the Nimitz class. The waterline and deck widths are the same, as is the waterline length.
I imagine it would be full displacement -- I remember a few years back 65,000 tons was listed as CVF's full displacement on wikipedia, but then a little while back it got knocked up to 71,000 tons. The wikipedia citations for CVF's displacement seem to suggest it may reflect the growth margin in the ship over its lifetime.
A 71,000 ton standard displacement for CVF would mean an 80,000+ ton full displacement for it... which would be a bit ludicrous and definitely would've been reported on and noticed if it were the case.
and of course, the royal navy itself still lists it as 65,000 tons full (bottom of page: "She will be the Royal Navy's largest ever surface warship with a full displacement of 65,000 tonnes"). So I think whoever edited the wikipedia entry might have been a bit eager