This is where the confusion starts, Henry K quote the 001A as having a full load displacement of 67000 ton, the Liaoning has always been qouted as having 65000 ton full load. I belief 001A would have a heavier displacement especially after having read Dieno's recent post where he reckons she looks slightly wider then Liaoning.
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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Hendrik_2000
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Hmmwv just posted the latest rumor any comment?. Not sure what he meant by 35 to 40 aircraft wing is that meant fighter only?
Seem like the catapult competition is settled It is steam catapult
fzgfzy has reaffirmed his previous assessment of the 002.
74,000t (I assume fully loaded), 3 cats, 2 elevators, 220,000-240,000 HP steam turbine. Slightly larger hangar than 001A, aircraft wing size 35 to 40+. First ship already under construction at JNCX, second one will follow at DL.
军报记者写的是否有保密需求不知道，但也是目前最官方的说法了，2013年11月开工～15年3月入坞。后一个数字因为前后和当天都有图是可以确定的。13年8月底老大去后。图纸，号科和预处理之前鹤飞有科普贴大约三个月内切板，时间对的上。之后大组立，14年中分段（发过手绘贴），遐迩的入坞预测都证明了。显示了CD作为最有影响力的军坛的地位。
002第一条，无论CD主流的上海17开动（开工这个词太那个，干脆不用），还是15年开动，还是大连造，这个诂计也要很多年才能用可以看见的事实来反推了。
我们大家军迷也就是起哄，我个人消息，002在上海已经动作了（和流泪观点一致），仪式是还没有，多大级别老大来不清楚，今年年底前有可知的消息。
002预计7.4万吨上下，动力＂加压蒸…＂预计22～24万马力，升降机两台，机库略大，35～40多，看机型。弹射蒸气，三条。
Seem like the catapult competition is settled It is steam catapult
fzgfzy has reaffirmed his previous assessment of the 002.
74,000t (I assume fully loaded), 3 cats, 2 elevators, 220,000-240,000 HP steam turbine. Slightly larger hangar than 001A, aircraft wing size 35 to 40+. First ship already under construction at JNCX, second one will follow at DL.
军报记者写的是否有保密需求不知道，但也是目前最官方的说法了，2013年11月开工～15年3月入坞。后一个数字因为前后和当天都有图是可以确定的。13年8月底老大去后。图纸，号科和预处理之前鹤飞有科普贴大约三个月内切板，时间对的上。之后大组立，14年中分段（发过手绘贴），遐迩的入坞预测都证明了。显示了CD作为最有影响力的军坛的地位。
002第一条，无论CD主流的上海17开动（开工这个词太那个，干脆不用），还是15年开动，还是大连造，这个诂计也要很多年才能用可以看见的事实来反推了。
我们大家军迷也就是起哄，我个人消息，002在上海已经动作了（和流泪观点一致），仪式是还没有，多大级别老大来不清楚，今年年底前有可知的消息。
002预计7.4万吨上下，动力＂加压蒸…＂预计22～24万马力，升降机两台，机库略大，35～40多，看机型。弹射蒸气，三条。
Full load displacement is an arbitrary term. It does not necessarily mean the maximum displacement attained during operations. Warships often weigh much more in normal operation than the nominal "full load" displacement.
2 elevators only? The size of the air wing seem to match the 2 elevators, but the size of the air wing is also rather small for a nearly kitty hawk sized ship. What gives? This hints to me that 002 maybe reconfigured for CATOBAR operation, but is most likely still based fairly closely on the basic Kuznetsov/Lioaning design. This is rather odd, because at this point the Chinese already has far more fixed wing carrier operation experience than the Soviet designers of kuznetsov when that ship was designed.
2 elevators only? The size of the air wing seem to match the 2 elevators, but the size of the air wing is also rather small for a nearly kitty hawk sized ship. What gives? This hints to me that 002 maybe reconfigured for CATOBAR operation, but is most likely still based fairly closely on the basic Kuznetsov/Lioaning design. This is rather odd, because at this point the Chinese already has far more fixed wing carrier operation experience than the Soviet designers of kuznetsov when that ship was designed.
Is this a more precise info about the displacement? the update from the last information that we had about the displacement said this:
one is from pop3 the other is from fzgfzy. i think both of them have had slightly divergent opinions on certain projects in previous years... i'm not sure if the opinion of one should necessarily be considered as superceding the other.
in this case the statements from pop3 and fzgfzy are both fairly recent/within the last month so I wouldn't say pop3's is more precise, and it would be nice for fzgfzy to clarify on it as well.
antiterror13
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35 to 40+ aircraft probably means 3 12-fighter squadrons of J-15s + 4 AEW&C fixed-wing aircraft and possibly 4 EW J-15s. If the "full" displacement of this carrier is only 74,000 tons, that would seem to be about right.
Intrepid
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Someone who recognizes one of this both ships wider than the other is realy hopeless in numbers at all.
Hi Richard
Don't take this the wrong way, taking your quote because it's the most compact to make my point. I think everyone should stop the comparisons with it's a nearly kitty hawk sized ship, an empty J-15 is about 3 tons heavier and 3m longer than a F/A-18 so you'd expect there to be fewer carried in the same amount of space. Furthermore, with catapults a J-15 will be able to carry the full fuel and weapon load out that every analyst goes on about not being able to do with a STOBAR carrier! As it's a warship not a ferry, things will be sized for combat so the ship should be sized to store more aviation spirit and have more magazine space per plane than the STOBAR carrier otherwise why bother with the catapults! So the extra size this carrier has will confer greater combat effectiveness not just a larger number of planes afloat in a ledger, because if that's the benchmark I am sure they would just stuff it to the gills with JF-17s!
Also as it's the 21st century the crew accommodation will be less cramped than a ship designed in the '60s, taking up more ship volume. A comparison of the respective ship's complement and available accommodation and a comparison of the aviation storage space, taking in account the aircraft deployed would probably be a much better indication of the size and effectiveness of the airgroup that can be carried than just raw tonnage alone. Extrapolations from the current chinese carriers would be a much better baseline than those with a 50 year old ship from another era.
My second point all of these comparisons seem to be predicated on a US vs China conflict. In the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean, 30-40 Flanker class planes on a moving base pretty much ensures no one's airforce is going to want to mess with you having 50 doesn't buy you that much if anything more!
Anyway at the rate the Chinese ship yards are cranking these out, might find the limiting factor to airwing size is getting enough planes and trained aircrew! Just have to look at the Royal Navy and it's new carrier(s) which will hold 3 times the air wing it will initially go to sea with!