CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[SINCHIKI]

That is more reasonable.

It is indeed "possible" (but not assured or fully expected yet) for the next conventionally powered carrier to be launched by 2025.

There's nothing to apologize for, the only point of my post was to show that there is no reasonable expectation for the CVN to be launched by 2025.

Yep, I agree with you in this point.

 

[Philister]

Pardon, but where was this posted and how reliable is it?

Image 1/2 are bid winning announcements which can be tracked on government site or apps,the third image are from the same person made that funnel pic,he isn’t a reliable source but he wasn’t talking about his opinion or speculation,everything can be tracked on public site

 

[tiancai8888]

Pardon, but where was this posted and how reliable is it?

It is reliable, I got the same. The company which winned the bidding is a listed company. Which is required to disclose info.

 

[Blitzo]

It will be a sister ship in JiangNan yard before DaLian complete its nuclear production line，build a single ship of its kind isn’t PLAN’s tradition and there’s still some time for JiangNan to build another one cuz after DaLian’s modification,004 would be in construction immediately.View attachment 74063View attachment 74064View attachment 74065

Yes, I very much expect that at least one sister ship to 003 will be built.

I'm just saying that at this stage we can't yet say such a ship will be "definitely" be launched by 2025. We are too early to say that.
"Possibly" is more accurate.

 

[kriss]

Yes, I very much expect that at least one sister ship to 003 will be built.

I believe if Jiangnan is to built another conventional carrier immediately after it would most likely have enough change to be a new class. All the experience in designing and building 003, accumulated experience of operating 001 and 002, and all of new technology available in these years would be incorporated into the design of next ship and would change it so drastically like how 003 is different from 002.

 

[DaTang cavalry]

You are late for the party ... just look at the page before.

Sorry, I was negligent.

 

[Blitzo]

I believe if Jiangnan is to built another conventional carrier immediately after it would most likely have enough change to be a new class. All the experience in designing and building 003, accumulated experience of operating 001 and 002, and all of new technology available in these years would be incorporated into the design of next ship and would change it so drastically like how 003 is different from 002.

I could certainly see some iterative improvements, such as the changes within various carriers of a class (e.g. from USS Kitty Hawk to USS JFK).

I think if they build additional CATOBAR conventionally powered carriers after 003, I believe they will likely be iterative improvements in that manner, rather than a wholly new class.


I certainly do not expect any conventionally powered CATOBAR after 003 to be as different as 003 is from 002.
Think about all the differences between 002 and 003 in terms of size and displacement, hull and flight deck design and configuration, island design, and the all important change from ski jump to catapults -- and EM catapults at that!

How can a conventionally powered CATOBAR after 003 possibly have such equivalent drastic differences to 003 in the manner that 003 was different from 002??

 

[Philister]

Yes, I very much expect that at least one sister ship to 003 will be built.

I'm just saying that at this stage we can't yet say such a ship will be "definitely" be launched by 2025. We are too early to say that.
"Possibly" is more accurate.

Sorry ,what I mean is
1.both production lines will be transferred into nuclear-qualified ones
2.after the north(DaLian)yard made it,JiangNan will begin its modifications (to keep the new ACs coming)
3.by 2025, both production (DaLian)line and nuclear parts will be ready,and they can’t afford to wait due to the tension around China(the same reason they build the 002),so the second 003 won’t be built in DaLian,and by that time ,JiangNan shipyard is doing production line modifications and nuclear qualification
4.when and where to build the second 003?Before DaLian complete its transition and after the first one is completed,in JiangNan shipyard.
5.when this happens ,the second ship usually take less time ,so I would say in/before 2025

 

[Blitzo]

Sorry ,what I mean is
1.both production lines will be transferred into nuclear-qualified ones
2.after the north(DaLian)yard made it,JiangNan will begin its modifications (to keep the new ACs coming)
3.by 2025, both production (DaLian)line and nuclear parts will be ready,and they can’t afford to wait due to the tension around China(the same reason they build the 002),so the second 003 won’t be built in DaLian,and by that time ,JiangNan shipyard is doing production line modifications and nuclear qualification
4.when and where to build the second 003?Before DaLian complete its transition and after the first one is completed,in JiangNan shipyard.
5.when this happens ,the second ship usually take less time ,so I would say in/before 2025

That is a plausible projection and one that I've considered as possible as well.

BUT, my point again, is that we cannot say that a sister ship to 003 (conventionally powered CATOBAR carrier) will "definitely" be launched by 2025 at this stage.

Only that is is "plausible/possible".


We can say it is "definite" once we have pictures of modules under fabrication at certain stages of construction by the time we reach certain time periods. We might see it in the next year or two, at which point we can use the word "definitely" with more confidence.

But right now, we cannot say it will "definitely" happen, only that it is "possible/plausible".


This is what I object to:
"... you mean the sister ship of 003,yes it definitely would be launched in/before 2025..."

CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Question is....if there is to be a sister ship to the 003 (which i think is highly likely).......will the PLAN wait till 003 is in service to check that all is ok with the design of the ship, or actually start construction of the sister ship soon, whilst 003 is itself still being constructed. I...

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If you said "possibly would be launched in/before 2025," then I would have no disagreement.


I apologize for nitpicking but imo words like "definitely" or "will happen" are things that should not be thrown around lightly unless we are truly sufficient confident.

 

[Philister]

That is a plausible projection and one that I've considered as possible as well.

BUT, my point again, is that we cannot say that a sister ship to 003 (conventionally powered CATOBAR carrier) will "definitely" be launched by 2025 at this stage.

Only that is is "plausible/possible".


We can say it is "definite" once we have pictures of modules under fabrication at certain stages of construction by the time we reach certain time periods. We might see it in the next year or two, at which point we can use the word "definitely" with more confidence.

But right now, we cannot say it will "definitely" happen, only that it is "possible/plausible".


This is what I object to:
"... you mean the sister ship of 003,yes it definitely would be launched in/before 2025..."

CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Question is....if there is to be a sister ship to the 003 (which i think is highly likely).......will the PLAN wait till 003 is in service to check that all is ok with the design of the ship, or actually start construction of the sister ship soon, whilst 003 is itself still being constructed. I...

www.sinodefenceforum.com

If you said "possibly would be launched in/before 2025," then I would have no disagreement.


I apologize for nitpicking but imo words like "definitely" or "will happen" are things that should not be thrown around lightly unless we are truly sufficient confident.

Sorry for my poor English,“highly likely ”is the word I should use,between “iron proof ”and “possibility”,I would say I’m 90% sure