CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Mirabo]

There seems to be a lot of rumours floating around on CJDBY that a second 003 is on the books and in fact construction may already be under way at Jiangnan Shipyard. Some say there are modules at Jiangnan that looks like they could be pieces of another 003 hull but I don't have a CJDBY account to see the photos for myself, anyone?

Here's a fresh thread on this topic just today:

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I also read this piece last week that hinted at the same thing, although I don't think that's all that strong of a statement:

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Six 055 would run against POP3's claim that 14th Five Year Plan calls for building of 8 new 055, and AFAIK also 5 additional 075 instead of 3 claimed here. So take it with a grain of salt.

That said there doesn't seem to be any visible movement on 004 aside from expansion of facilities at Dalian. So if there were plan to build two carriers ASAP (given geopolitics at the moment) than another 003 would make sense. It would also fit with PLAN tradition of building new design a pair at a time. What do we think?

Anything from fzgfzy we can take with a grain of salt. Anything from the National Interest we can take with a bucket of salt. I would believe pop3 over whatever that article claims any day of the week.

That said, fzgfzy has some interesting claims here (even though none of them have proven accurate so far):

1. Prep work in Dalian for CVN construction facilities still underway (as expected).

2. Second 003 possibly under construction in Shanghai. This is unexpected as we all thought a second 003 (if there will be a second) would be built in Dalian.

Now, what stood out to me was this section:

对于同级003，这个如果有的话，搞不好已经开了，我之前（在15年吧）说过，上海这事不是江南一家产分段的。所以如果有第二条，可能应该巳经产了。

"Regarding the second 003, if it exists, difficult to say if construction's started, as I mentioned previously (in 2015), that modules are not manufactured solely by JNCX. So if there is a second, it's possible it's already being constructed."

@Bltizo Our interpretation was correct after all.

Anyway, I wouldn't put too much faith in his claims. But he does float some interesting ideas, some of which have proven correct in the past, whether by coincidence or not.

 

[Tam]

Anything from fzgfzy we can take with a grain of salt. Anything from the National Interest we can take with a bucket of salt. I would believe pop3 over whatever that article claims any day of the week.

That said, fzgfzy has some interesting claims here (even though none of them have proven accurate so far):

1. Prep work in Dalian for CVN construction facilities still underway (as expected).

2. Second 003 possibly under construction in Shanghai. This is unexpected as we all thought a second 003 (if there will be a second) would be built in Dalian.

Now, what stood out to me was this section:



"Regarding the second 003, if it exists, difficult to say if construction's started, as I mentioned previously (in 2015), that modules are not manufactured solely by JNCX. So if there is a second, it's possible it's already being constructed."

@Bltizo Our interpretation was correct after all.

Anyway, I wouldn't put too much faith in his claims. But he does float some interesting ideas, some of which have proven correct in the past, whether by coincidence or not.

HDZ's Changxian facility is right next to JNCX. In fact, its not clear where Jiangnan ends and HDZ begins. Its possible that the dock where the 003 is sitting on, is on HDZ's slice of the island, due to the CMA CGM containerships and the large LNG carriers that were contracted to HDZ being right next to 003. It may not matter that much since both are in the same CSSC, now CSG, banner, so they maybe sharing facilities and resources. It can be possible that some modules are being made in the HDZ Changxian.

 

[by78]

It is intended to stress apart from naval, US also engaged in numerous land wars to show her intent of dominance. Equally apply to her allies and cronies. You should read my comments in its totality.

This is NOT a political thread. This is NOT a geopolitics thread. This is NOT a thread where you put in personal complaints about American foreign policy.

 

[Daniel707]

Based on the graphics above, the waterline length of 003 is 297m or 298m respectively. Nimitz has a waterline length of 317m. So its length is about 94% of that of Nimitz, by your metrics.

Based on your graphics, the waterline of 003 is 326m (29m bulbous bow module).
[Its true or not is another discussion]

Nimitz waterline length of 317m, that's including bulbous bow

 

[Blitzo]

Based on your graphics, the waterline of 003 is 326m (29m bulbous bow module).
[Its true or not is another discussion]

Nimitz waterline length of 317m, that's including bulbous bow

The waterline length of a ship doesn't include the bulbous bow.

The waterline length of the USS Nimitz (first of its class, lacking a bulbous bow) is 317m. The waterline length of USS Ronald Regan (first of the Nimitz class to feature a bulbous bow) is also 317m, because the bulbous bow isn't included in a ship's waterline length.

Similarly, the waterline length of 003 -- or indeed of any other ship -- doesn't include their bulbous bow either.

The graphic posted is meant to indicate that the ship's waterline length is 297m, the fact that they even wrote "waterline" in Chinese to indicate that in the first picture should make it abundantly clear.


It should be rather obvious what "waterline length" means -- it is literally the length of the hull at the line of the water on the hull.
The bulbous bow sites below the line of the water.

 

[Blitzo]

There seems to be a lot of rumours floating around on CJDBY that a second 003 is on the books and in fact construction may already be under way at Jiangnan Shipyard. Some say there are modules at Jiangnan that looks like they could be pieces of another 003 hull but I don't have a CJDBY account to see the photos for myself, anyone?

Here's a fresh thread on this topic just today:

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I also read this piece last week that hinted at the same thing, although I don't think that's all that strong of a statement:

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Six 055 would run against POP3's claim that 14th Five Year Plan calls for building of 8 new 055, and AFAIK also 5 additional 075 instead of 3 claimed here. So take it with a grain of salt.

That said there doesn't seem to be any visible movement on 004 aside from expansion of facilities at Dalian. So if there were plan to build two carriers ASAP (given geopolitics at the moment) than another 003 would make sense. It would also fit with PLAN tradition of building new design a pair at a time. What do we think?

I think actively avoiding reposting things from the national interest is probably the best choice, even if it is from a writer with credibility that isn't trash (like Robert Farley, who is okay), unless there was massive qualifiers.

To paraphrase a classical meme "one does not merely post/link to a TNI article without significant qualifiers/justification/acknowledgement of the source outlet".

In any case that specific article from TNI is not even really worth mentioning, it doesn't say anything new and doesn't say anything exclusive or particularly incisive that we don't already know.
Though it is not laughably incorrect like some other articles that exist, it also probably serves us better to pretend it doesn't exist because it doesn't add anything to the current body of knowledge.

 

[gongolongo]

Anything from fzgfzy we can take with a grain of salt. Anything from the National Interest we can take with a bucket of salt. I would believe pop3 over whatever that article claims any day of the week.

That said, fzgfzy has some interesting claims here (even though none of them have proven accurate so far):

1. Prep work in Dalian for CVN construction facilities still underway (as expected).

2. Second 003 possibly under construction in Shanghai. This is unexpected as we all thought a second 003 (if there will be a second) would be built in Dalian.

Do you have more information on the second 003 and Dalian?

Does this mean there's going to be 3 carriers? That would be incredible and incredible speed. I thought the 003 was going to be alone for a little while.

 

[Intrepid]

Well I don't think the Kitty Hawk class was underpowered. Just way more gas guzzling than the Enterprise and Nimitz class.

Kitty Hawk class had more power than Nimitz/Ford class: 280.000 PS vs. 260.000 PS or expressed in Speed 35 vs. 30 knots.

 

[asif iqbal]

Since the construction Is modular it could be that JNCX is building a second 003

and since work is going on at DL that’s where the final assembly could take place

so all of the above could be true

but the launch of 004 would be from DL

 

[Tyler]

The Chinese like to buy things in pairs or even numbers. So they will build in numbers like 2, 4, 6 etc. Just look at he number of type 054, type 052d and type 055.