CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

[Orthan]

Impressive. It seems to me that this carrier is being built twice as fast as the ulyanovsk.

Not only that, but it seems to me that the upper hull modules could start to appear soon.

 

[Blitzo]

Surely you only apply paint if the hull is all joined up right?

I do believe most if not all of the hull we see is joined up, but no, the paint is not necessarily only applied at that point.


In the case of 003, the paint was already applied on the super modules back when they were still in fabrication, well before they moved to the current drydock. (pictures below)

I.e.: the paint doesn't mean anything... but I do think most of the hull is joined up.

 

[Anlsvrthng]

Pardon me if my English is poor.
I mean the width of the rear of the hull.
Marked using red lines.
Ford's widest width is at the mid section of the hull and then gets narrower to the rear, while type 003's hull width seems to be the same from mid to the rear. The last two pics of Ford class might not be that obvious to prove my point, but I have seen others pics of Ford and it is quite obvious that the shape of the hull is like what I said: narrower to the back.

Most likely to cut back the construction cost.

It could decrease the maximum speed as well, but this carrier doesn't need to pass the pacific in short period of time - it will be the job of the successors .

 

[jimmyjames30x30]

Most likely to cut back the construction cost.

It could decrease the maximum speed as well, but this carrier doesn't need to pass the pacific in short period of time - it will be the job of the successors .

Exactly! I've always thought that it would be a perfectly good enough for China to simply focus on maritime areas that is only directly relevant to her major trade routes, and leave the other non important areas (like South Pacific and Atlantic) alone. China should focus on the regional supremacy, and leave the US to be the world police that is stretching herself to be present everywhere.

 

[by78]

Exactly! I've always thought that it would be a perfectly good enough for China to simply focus on maritime areas that is only directly relevant to her major trade routes, and leave the other non important areas (like South Pacific and Atlantic) alone. China should focus on the regional supremacy, and leave the US to be the world police that is stretching herself to be present everywhere.

I want to add, further China has to have enough naval and other muscles to counteract the US and its cronies, just in case. The US and co. never entertain an economic and military strong rising China.

History is a guide to China's planning. Remember the Korean war, the Vietnam war [on China's doorstep] and of course the humiliating opium war on Chinese soil in Qing dynasty.

Now spy planes and naval presences in south China, particular the SCS, and interferences of Taiwan. HK, Tibet and so on are typical examples of uncle Sam's ill intentions.

US's desire to be the world's policeman to her advantages never diminishes. It is a matter of to what degree!

What war in the world does not include US directly, or indirectly?

Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korean War, Vietnam War? What thread is this?

 

[nlalyst]

Most likely to cut back the construction cost.

It could decrease the maximum speed as well, but this carrier doesn't need to pass the pacific in short period of time - it will be the job of the successors .

I think it is reasonable to assume that the hull tapers towards the stern. In the photos from a few months back, it was obvious that the stern module is significantly taller than the module next to it. The stern module cross-section visible from above is likely above the waterline and occludes the true shape at water level.

In this forum the hull is measured with a waterline length of approx. 295 meters.

I was refering to this post: CV-XX (003 carrier) Thread I ... News & Discussions

Although, including the extremity of the stern module, which is likely above the waterline, would lead to an over-estimation.

 

[jimmyjames30x30]

Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korean War, Vietnam War? What thread is this?

In my opinion, my post is relevant to this thread. Because the 003 is believed to be a heavy conventional CATOBAR carrier. the PRC and PLAN went with this configuration because it fulfill their requirements. The requirements are set according to the goals and defense doctrine of the PLAN. Therefore speculating on the defense doctrine/philosophy of a military is relevant to the specification and configuration of a particular piece of equipment.

 

[para80]

It could decrease the maximum speed as well, but this carrier doesn't need to pass the pacific in short period of time - it will be the job of the successors .

It's not quite so cut and dry. Notably TKMS promotes their "delta hull" configuration and claims optimised hydrodynamic flow, resulting in higher speed or better economy or a combination of both. All newer MEKO corvettes and frigates feature this configuration to varying extent, including Israeli Sa'ar 6, which also has high top speed.

 

[Daniel707]

Photographic evidence indicates that this hull is significantly finer than either the Nimitz or Ford class and more comparable to Kitty Hawk class.

Give me the photographic evidence for this part.

When you post a statement, please post it with the evidence

 

[by78]

In my opinion, my post is relevant to this thread. Because the 003 is believed to be a heavy conventional CATOBAR carrier. the PRC and PLAN went with this configuration because it fulfill their requirements. The requirements are set according to the goals and defense doctrine of the PLAN. Therefore speculating on the defense doctrine/philosophy of a military is relevant to the specification and configuration of a particular piece of equipment.

I agree it's ok to speculate the doctrinal aspects of China's carrier program, but to step beyond that with your following quote is perhaps not the most prudent, considering its potential for derailing the thread:

China should focus on the regional supremacy, and leave the US to be the world police that is stretching herself to be present everywhere.

I'm not accusing you of derailing the thread, but merely that your post could attract a certain cohort of emotional ideologues who would in turn derail the thread. Please don't give bait to fanboys.