CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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China doesn't have the first clue what the Soviets had in mind for the Ulyanovsk. Why would the 003 have anything to do with it?
The PLAN got no plans, not samples, and no engineers relating to the Ulyanovsk, not that they would have helped considering how far technology and Chinese shipbuilding have progressed since 1991. The 003 might, at most, have hull similarities to the 002, and even that I'm not sure about. The max displacement of the 002 is 60,000t, whereas it's 80,000t for the 003. How feasible it is to pack on another 20,000t onto the 002 hull is questionable.
The Ulyanovsk, unlike the Kuznetsov, is well and truly dead. There will no Chinese resurrection of its design to sustain it into the mid-21st century.
asif iqbal
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EM with conventional power ? Why not certainly do able
EMALS at 80,000 tons conventional power
Fixed wing AWACS giving unprecedented situation awareness
EMALS at 80,000 tons conventional power
Fixed wing AWACS giving unprecedented situation awareness
I thought the 002 was going to have at least 80kt (considering the 001A has over 70kt full displacement) I don't understand what you mean by how feasible is to pack another 20kt in 002 if it hasn't been built.
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It basically says that progress on the Type 003 and amphibious assault ship (most likely Type 075) is proceeding smoothly, or in literal translation, "very pleasing".
The official designation for the carrier now having sea trials in Dalian is "002".
What jobjed meant by "003" is what you call the "002".
Why are you so sure that PLAN has got nothing re Ulyanovsk after they got everything the Ukrainians had on Varyag? The Ukrainians were so cash starved that they were willing to sell everything they had, including Su-27 prototype, X-55, even Admiral Lobov cruiser was on offer
Simply since it gives some the feeling of getting confirmed that the Chinese are not able to develop anything on their own.
It's exactly the same issue - as exemplified by our own @Bltizo (aka @Blitzo) concerning the J-20's stealth capabilities: On the one side it is labeled a copy based on stolen data acquired via espionage from LM and second it cannot be a by true stealth aircraft since Chinese engineers lack the full understanding of stealth and it has a lousy manufacturing quality:
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IMO the Type 002 project is caught in a catch 22. If China ever went with the Ski jump, detractors will say they copied it from the Ulyanovsk. If they go with the full flat top, detractors will say they nicked it off the Nimitz.Simply since it gives some the feeling of getting confirmed that the Chinese are not able to develop anything on their own.
It's exactly the same issue - as exemplified by our own @Bltizo (aka @Blitzo) concerning the J-20's stealth capabilities: On the one side it is labeled a copy based on stolen data acquired via espionage from LM and second it cannot be a by true stealth aircraft since Chinese engineers lack the full understanding of stealth and it has a lousy manufacturing quality:
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In other words, China can walk on water and the detractors can still say that that's because China can't swim.
This is one public image war that China is unlikely to win. Due to the fact that they entered the game near 3 decades late.
Intrepid
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In Chinese thinking you do not have to win this competition, to copy a thing means to praise it and is not considered a bad deed.