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I'm confused... Why change the angle of the ramp at this point? I would think the Russians would have tested all angles and optimized the angle when they first designed it. It's hard for me to believe that the Chinese found some other ways to further optimize the angle...

Further, it makes no logistical sense. We all know that the Chinese will go to a CATOBAR system on their third CV immediately after the CV-17. So why spending so much time and energy to further optimize a system that you have decided to "abandon" almost immediately?
 

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I'm confused... Why change the angle of the ramp at this point? I would think the Russians would have tested all angles and optimized the angle when they first designed it. It's hard for me to believe that the Chinese found some other ways to further optimize the angle...

Further, it makes no logistical sense. We all know that the Chinese will go to a CATOBAR system on their third CV immediately after the CV-17. So why spending so much time and energy to further optimize a system that you have decided to "abandon" almost immediately?

The J-15 is lighter than the Su-33 due to incorporation of composites. An extra two degrees of slope probably allows the J-15 to fully exploit its few hundred kilograms in mass savings.

As for why they would change it back to 12 degrees on the 001A, I have no idea. The rumour is probably false anyway, and 001A will also be equipped with a 14 degree slope. In the event that the rumour proves true, one reason could be due to further examples of J-15s having WS-10s instead of AL-31s leading to a change in their takeoff characteristics.
 

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iirc, Admiral Kuznezov got an 12° angle and Varyag an 14° angle from the beginning. When Varyag became Liaoning, they didn't change the angle.
Change of angle even by 2 degrees would still require very obvious rebuilt. On the other hand, in order to observe such change of angle, one'd need to have both ship in dry dock, with pictures taken from the same angle, to make useful observation possible...not with the kind of long distance shots we're used to.
 

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China’s new aircraft carrier to be launched early 2017 and to enter the service by 2020, experts say

(People's Daily Online) 03:16, February 15, 2017

China’s second aircraft carrier is scheduled to be launched later this year and is expected to enter the service by 2020, Xu Guangyu, a retired Chinese military officer and consultant to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Assn, said in an interview with Beijing Media Network.

China's first home-made aircraft carrier, designed to be a base for fighter jets and helicopters, is now near completion. The aircraft carrier is the first of the Type 001A class, and represents an important step in advancing China's naval power.

"The aircraft carrier is being built as planned. Most of its major construction and design work has been completed. Its hull has already been assembled in a shipyard. The ship will soon be equipped with aviation, radar and other facilities," said Chinese Defense Ministry Spokesperson Wu Qian in October 2016, when he was responding to media inquiries on alleged aircraft carrier images circulating online.

Yin Zhuo, a Chinese naval expert, also confirmed in a CCTV interview that China's first home-made aircraft carrier is expected to be launched in water in early 2017.

There is still a large amount of work to do at the carrier’s outfitting stage after its launching. It will take about one to two years to carry out functional debugging for its devices as well as weapons and equipment. The new aircraft carrier could begin its sea trial by early 2019, Xu said.

Xu also mentioned in the interview that Chinese carrier pilots are also under training, with an expectation of forming two aviation units.

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iirc, Admiral Kuznezov got an 12° angle and Varyag an 14° angle from the beginning. When Varyag became Liaoning, they didn't change the angle.


That's the first time I hear about the Kuz. being different in that regard to the Varyag/Liaoning !!!
Any source for that ?

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