CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

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asif iqbal

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CV-17 should hit the water in a few months

Then out fitting will be quick as they will use CV-16 template

Should also be quick with commissioning

Operating STOBAR is not like a CATOBAR and they should be able to surge both CV-16 and CV-17 together sometime in 2020 or even 2019 when they commission second unit

Dual carrier operations from China deep in the Pacific is what we can hope to see
 

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2nd carrier almost complete
(Global Times) 10:19, February 21, 2017

China is close to completing its second aircraft carrier, which will begin service by 2020, experts said.
China Central Television (CCTV) reported that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy's Type 001A class aircraft carrier's scaffold has been removed and red undercoat has been painted below the ship's waterline in Dalian, northeastern Liaoning Province, and that a launching ceremony will soon be held.

"Unlike the Liaoning(Type 001), China's first aircraft carrier, a refitted ship built by Ukraine (under the former Soviet Union), the 001A is China-built, and its design, combat capability and technologies will be much more advanced," Song Zhongping, a military expert, told the Global Times.

"One key difference is the design will be more 'humanized,' which means all personnel on the carrier will enjoy a more comfortable and modern environment," Song said.

However, "there's still a long way to go from its launch to enlistment, which normally takes two years," Yin Zhuo, a senior researcher at the PLA Navy Equipment Research Center, told CCTV.
Song said "its status can be compared to a house whose paint job has been completed but requires decorating, which, in military terms, is called the 'outfitting stage.'"

It means all weapons and equipment, including the radar system, air defense system and communications system will be outfitted on the carrier. After this, the carrier and aircraft on it will be tested, and then the carrier will be ready to serve, Song said.

"Construction of the aircraft carrier is on schedule. Most of its construction and design work has been completed. Its hull has already been assembled at the shipyard. The ship will soon be equipped with radar and other facilities," said Chinese defense ministry spokesperson Wu Qian in October 2016, in response to media inquiries on reported aircraft carrier images circulating online.

A large amount of work remains to be done on the carrier's outfitting stage after it's launched, presumably sometime this year, Li Jie, a naval military expert, said. "It will take about one to two years to carry out functional debugging of its devices, weapons and equipment. The new aircraft carrier can begin sea trials by early 2019."
Catapult technology

On December 31, 2015 the Chinese defense ministry formally announced the construction of the 001A, and another spokesperson Yang Yujun said, "This carrier, with a displacement of 50,000 tons, will be the base for J-15 fighters and other types of aircraft."
The design and construction of the second aircraft carrier is based on experience, research and training from the first carrier, the Liaoning, Yang added.

Based on information released by the Chinese defense ministry, 001A's aircraft will still use the ski-jump method of taking off from a ski ramp on the front of the carrier just like its "sister," the Liaoning, rather than more advanced catapult technology used by US aircraft carriers.
China is looking into catapult technology, Li said, and the technology will likely be adopted on the 002, China's third aircraft carrier, which is being built in Shanghai.
"In other words, 002 is entirely different from the Liaoning (001) and 001A, and it will look like US aircraft carrier rather than a Russian one," Li said.

Most advanced aircraft carriers use the Electromagnetic Catapult System, or Electromagnetic launcher (EML), to launch carrier-based jets, but China is still testing steam catapults, Li said. "The main difference is that EMLs are more flexible and the system's speed can be controlled, so it can launch aircraft of different sizes."
Yin said "in order to protect China's territories and overseas interests, China needs two carrier strike groups in the West Pacific Ocean and two in the Indian Ocean. So we need at least five to six aircraft carriers."
 

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2nd carrier almost complete
(Global Times) 10:19, February 21, 2017

China is close to completing its second aircraft carrier, which will begin service by 2020, experts said.
China Central Television (CCTV) reported that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy's Type 001A class aircraft carrier's scaffold has been removed and red undercoat has been painted below the ship's waterline in Dalian, northeastern Liaoning Province, and that a launching ceremony will soon be held.

"Unlike the Liaoning(Type 001), China's first aircraft carrier, a refitted ship built by Ukraine (under the former Soviet Union), the 001A is China-built, and its design, combat capability and technologies will be much more advanced," Song Zhongping, a military expert, told the Global Times.

"One key difference is the design will be more 'humanized,' which means all personnel on the carrier will enjoy a more comfortable and modern environment," Song said.

However, "there's still a long way to go from its launch to enlistment, which normally takes two years," Yin Zhuo, a senior researcher at the PLA Navy Equipment Research Center, told CCTV.

... after it's launched, presumably sometime this year, Li Jie, a naval military expert, said. "It will take about one to two years to carry out functional debugging of its devices, weapons and equipment. The new aircraft carrier can begin sea trials by early 2019."

Yin said "in order to protect China's territories and overseas interests, China needs two carrier strike groups in the West Pacific Ocean and two in the Indian Ocean. So we need at least five to six aircraft carriers."
Wow...I did not see that one coming.

Launch this year in 2017 but sea trials not to begin until 2019? Seems like builder trials could being in late 2017 to early 2018...but we shall see.
 

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Wow...I did not see that one coming.

Launch this year in 2017 but sea trials not to begin until 2019? Seems like builder trials could being in late 2017 to early 2018...but we shall see.

In service for 2020 if all goes well

2nd carrier almost complete

China is close to completing its second aircraft carrier, which will begin service by 2020, experts said.

China Central Television (CCTV) reported that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy's Type 001A class aircraft carrier's scaffold has been removed and red undercoat has been painted below the ship's waterline in Dalian, northeastern Liaoning Province, and that a launching ceremony will soon be held.

"Unlike the Liaoning(Type 001), China's first aircraft carrier, a refitted ship built by Ukraine (under the former Soviet Union), the 001A is China-built, and its design, combat capability and technologies will be much more advanced," Song Zhongping, a military expert, told the Global Times.

"One key difference is the design will be more 'humanized,' which means all personnel on the carrier will enjoy a more comfortable and modern environment," Song said.

However, "there's still a long way to go from its launch to enlistment, which normally takes two years," Yin Zhuo, a senior researcher at the PLA Navy Equipment Research Center, told CCTV.

Song said "its status can be compared to a house whose paint job has been completed but requires decorating, which, in military terms, is called the 'outfitting stage.'"

It means all weapons and equipment, including the radar system, air defense system and communications system will be outfitted on the carrier. After this, the carrier and aircraft on it will be tested, and then the carrier will be ready to serve, Song said.

"Construction of the aircraft carrier is on schedule. Most of its construction and design work has been completed. Its hull has already been assembled at the shipyard. The ship will soon be equipped with radar and other facilities," said Chinese defense ministry spokesperson Wu Qian in October 2016, in response to media inquiries on reported aircraft carrier images circulating online.

A large amount of work remains to be done on the carrier's outfitting stage after it's launched, presumably sometime this year, Li Jie, a naval military expert, said. "It will take about one to two years to carry out functional debugging of its devices, weapons and equipment. The new aircraft carrier can begin sea trials by early 2019."

Catapult technology

On December 31, 2015 the Chinese defense ministry formally announced the construction of the 001A, and another spokesperson Yang Yujun said, "This carrier, with a displacement of 50,000 tons, will be the base for J-15 fighters and other types of aircraft."

The design and construction of the second aircraft carrier is based on experience, research and training from the first carrier, the Liaoning, Yang added.

Based on information released by the Chinese defense ministry, 001A's aircraft will still use the ski-jump method of taking off from a ski ramp on the front of the carrier just like its "sister," the Liaoning, rather than more advanced catapult technology used by US aircraft carriers.

China is looking into catapult technology, Li said, and the technology will likely be adopted on the 002, China's third aircraft carrier, which is being built in Shanghai.

"In other words, 002 is entirely different from the Liaoning (001) and 001A, and it will look like US aircraft carrier rather than a Russian one," Li said.

Most advanced aircraft carriers use the Electromagnetic Catapult System, or Electromagnetic launcher (EML), to launch carrier-based jets, but China is still testing steam catapults, Li said. "The main difference is that EMLs are more flexible and the system's speed can be controlled, so it can launch aircraft of different sizes."

Yin said "in order to protect China's territories and overseas interests, China needs two carrier strike groups in the West Pacific Ocean and two in the Indian Ocean. So we need at least five to six aircraft carriers."

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Not even a few months. The expected timeframe for launch has narrowed down to March, April latest.

We'll see her in the water soon enough.
It will launch when it launches. I don't get why there needs to be debate for this kind of stuff.
 

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This is an interesting post about the work progress on CV-17, reposted by pop3 (think you lads should've heard of him?) from somewhere else
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最近网上关于第一艘国产航母即将下水的文章铺天盖地,配合几张远距离拍摄的照片,似乎真是那么回事,那么这艘航母在目前阶段完整性如何,实际进度究竟是多少呢?这里借助网络上刊载的照片做一点点分析(注:照片来源于中华网)



可以很直观的看出,照片拍摄的时间是今年初一场大雪的雪后,在航母飞行甲板的中心地带有一大推黄色的滚筒,旁边还搭了一个比较大的临时简易工棚;这些滚筒,有国内船厂工作经历的人轻易就能分辨出是电缆放线滚筒;我们知道一般船舶的电缆往往有几十甚至上百公里,如此量大的电缆需要快速有序的敷设到位,保证进度和节点设计上必须考虑的非常细致,于是就有了电缆清册这个文件把不同规格,不同顺序的电缆按照走向、长度、规格编制成册,由车间内场电工根据这个清册预先裁剪完毕,绕制在不同的专用电缆滚筒上,在条件具备的情况下上船敷设,国产航母的各种电缆总长度可能有上千公里,预计的敷设时间个人保守看法不低于4个月,由于各舱室内部空间不大,施工有相当的难度,进度快不得。

从船厂开始敷设电缆这一点看,舰岛的外板水火校正工作可能已经结束,甲板冲水可能也已经结束,这样电缆托架和贯穿件才可能整体交验并可能已经结束,飞行甲板下的主船体部分,密性试验应该进行了大半或者基本结束,电缆托架完整性报检也已经基本结束;这都是敷设电缆必须的前提条件;目前甲板上的电缆滚筒数量应该只有全船电缆的十分之一左右,说明电缆最少还需要敷设3个月以上。

下面说说目前这艘航母的总体进度,一般船舶下水时刻船舶形象进度是70%,这艘航母也不可能例外,从照片看,电缆已经开始敷设,航母进度应该正好是60%,敷设电缆完毕后船舶下水前,国内大点的船厂往往要对部分设备例如:岸电箱,配电板通电,恢复机舱的正常照明,为船舶下水后调试机舱设备开路,只要机舱使用船舶自身的荧光灯具照明,柴油发电机组,空压机组,燃油输送泵接线完毕,其他方面满足下水条件;船舶的进度才达到70%。

多说两句,造船圈内没有人使用刷漆一词,说这话肯定是外行,圈内说法是:涂装;包括了钢板表面的处理、焊接工艺,现场气象条件要求,涂装设备和涂装专门工艺,油漆的保管等等方面,是个专门的专业,从这艘航母的外板目前情况看,下水涂装根本没有开始,表面的油漆只是钢板在下料、制造阶段的预处理底漆或者车间底漆,是为了防止钢板的早期锈蚀,不是完工底漆和面漆。
Using a picture supposedly taken earlier this year (evidenced by the snow on deck), pointing out the yellow buckets under a makeshift shack on the flight deck - according to the post, a SOP in Chinese shipyard concerning electrical works, is that electrical wires to be installed onboard will be pre-cut to required lengths at workshops on shore, labelled in pre-assigned buckets, transported on-site for installation at respective assigned locations. The writer estimated that at the time of picture taken, only 1/10 of the electrical work has been completed.

The final paragraph concerns paintwork, and touched on some in-trade technical terms and application procedures of the paintwork. To simply put, the writer claimed the "paintwork" seen at this time is simply basic surface priming during fabrication phase, not even started on proper prime coat yet.
 
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Super-duper high resolution photo of the island.

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antiterror13

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It will launch when it launches. I don't get why there needs to be debate for this kind of stuff.

well, it is part of the forum discussion, and it is indeed interesting and fascinating. If you don't get it ... well .. sorry and too bad :) but I do and many others do as well

Unless it is an instruction from you as a moderator (to stop it) ... we should continue this debate
 
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