CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[FORBIN]

It is and will remain so for a long time being ... and if not - heaven's sake it won't happen - a true crises will arise.

Yes, officially the CV-16 can be used in ops, but their main task is for a long future to train as many pilots, crews and sailors on carrier operations ... as such it is and will remain a training vessel.

You mean actualy her first mission is traine new pilots ok but with 1 and after 2 CVs never a navy in the world with these numbers have one specialised for training only USA when she had in 1980/90s 12 -15 have one specialised for it you can ask to Popeye

And recently Chinese MOD say operationnal for combat.

 

[SanWenYu]

You mean actualy her first mission is traine new pilots ok but with 1 and after 2 CVs never a navy in the world with these numbers have one specialised for training only USA when she had in 1980/90s 12 -15 have one specialised for it you can ask to Popeye

And recently Chinese MOD say operationnal for combat.

PLAN's likely goal is to have multiple (4, 6 or even more) aircraft carriers operational for combat in a decade or so. As usual, they'd rather have the staff ready even before the equipments are available than the other way. That means they will have a lot of pilots, sailors and deck operation personels to train over the decade. A dedicated training CV makes sense for this goal.

Liaoning being "operational for combat" can only be good. For the trainees on Liaoning, it would be best that they learn the skills on a real combat-ready vessel. For PLAN, now a formidable combatant has joined its fleets. More importantly, she is ready to be put in battle, should the need arise.

 

[vesicles]

I would use the trainer-fighters as an analogy for the CV-16. These fighters are officially used to train fighter pilots. Yet, when times, they can still fight if they want to... IMHO, the CV-16 is similar. Officially, it is for training, but it is fully operational and can fight if it wants to.

 

[kwaigonegin]

PLAN only has 1 carrier and has zero experienced operating one before therefore they don't have any other options, liaoning has to be both. Once they have a few more, the idea of a dual role carrier becomes less important because 90% of the time life on a carrier is all training anyway!

Perhaps one day a couple decades from now she will serve as a stationary carrier once decommissioned to teach aircraft handling etc. A lot of crew training can actually be done w/o ever going to sea.

 

[Tyloe]

If the long term shows one or two Type 002s up and running, besides fundamental training wouldn't Liaoning and 001A be purposed to fill their originally designed mission to defend SSN/SSBN bastions?

If they want to maximise their capabilities they would keep them near Yellow Sea or Northern SCS, and by design purpose, allow J-15/successor carrying its full A2A combat load as part of maritime air denial component of A2/AD, while 002 are deployed much further?

Obviously another story if recovery side catapult/s does turn up in their mid-life refits.

 

[Intrepid]

If the long term shows one or two Type 002s up and running, besides fundamental training wouldn't Liaoning and 001A be purposed to fill their originally designed mission to defend SSN/SSBN bastions?

@Sczepan thinks so. I am not. And nobody knows.

Obviously another story if recovery side catapult/s does turn up in their mid-life refits.

That is what I expect - and others not: once China has functioning catapults they will bring their STOBAR-carriers to CATOBAR-standard.

 

[SanWenYu]

That is what I expect - and others not: once China has functioning catapults they will bring their STOBAR-carriers to CATOBAR-standard.

I'd think so, too. Even just for being a training carrier, it will make sense to add a catapult to Liaoning.

Depending on whether 001A (Shandong?) will be refit to all CATOBAR, Liaoning might become all CATOBAR, too.

 

[kwaigonegin]

What ever came of the bet a bunch of us did couple yrs ago? Still good?

 

[Tyloe]

@Sczepan thinks so. I am not. And nobody knows.

But all expectations for liaoning and Shandong are life careers in training, or operating within land based assets when things flare up? They can't serve as a component of a real CVBG without another Type 002 or refitted cats for sure.

 

[antiterror13]

I'd think so, too. Even just for being a training carrier, it will make sense to add a catapult to Liaoning.
Depending on whether 001A (Shandong?) will be refit to all CATOBAR, Liaoning might become all CATOBAR, too.

how easy or difficult to add a catapult to Liaoning ?