CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[antiterror13]

We don't know whether hangar size or propulsion system have changed. The hangar has the same forward and aft bulkhead as Liaoning and Kuznetsov, so it should be same size. The propulsion system is at the same location with the same size of boiler- and enginerooms. It has the same size of intakes and uptakes. Is in general more likely the same as Liaoning with minor changes like steam pressure as discussed in the last days.

hangar size (almost) definitely changed, much improved layout and bigger. The propulsion is 99.999% sure will be much improved, I am sure China have the capability to improve 1980s propulsion system ... I am hoping it would be gas turbine

 

[Intrepid]

hangar size (almost) definitely changed, much improved layout and bigger. The propulsion is 99.999% sure will be much improved, I am sure China have the capability to improve 1980s propulsion system ... I am hoping it would be gas turbine

Rather keep to the facts than to be guided by dreams.

 

[antiterror13]

Rather keep to the facts than to be guided by dreams.

you believe what you want to believe ... a dream is good

you are totally free to disagree with me ... I have no issues ...

if you believe the hangar size and the propulsion of 001A are the same as Varyag ... good luck with that ... nothing else I can say

Note : Are you aware that original Varyag had 12 P-700 Anti=ship missiles and 196 SA-N-9 SAM ... with a new built 001A, do you think the Chinese engineers will be stuck with it and not trying to maximise the space not used and optimise it (aka bigger hangar)

 

[Intrepid]

Are you aware that original Varyag had 12 P-700 Anti=ship missiles and 196 SA-N-9 SAM ... with a new built 001A, do you think the Chinese engineers will be stuck with it and not trying to maximise the space not used and optimise it (aka bigger hangar)

Yes I know all that. And I watched all available pictures and videos from inside the hangar of Liaoning and Kuznetsov and from the building process of type 001A to answer these questions to me. I am very interessted in these matters.

 

[antiterror13]

Yes I know all that. And I watched all available pictures and videos from inside the hangar of Liaoning and Kuznetsov and from the building process of type 001A to answer these questions to me. I am very interessted in these matters.

hmmm interesting that you know all of it and still fully believe the hangar size will be the same? and the worst part ... "mocking" me that I am dreaming?

The beauty of the brain is .... it can analyse with full confident, .. without solid full fact

 

[Intrepid]

... "mocking" me that I am dreaming?

Sorry for felt "mocking", that is not my intention.

Look at the pictures from the building process. Draw lines from the aft end of the forward heavy lift, that has no openings for hangar space, to the forward elevator. Compare with pictures from inside the hangar of Liaoning and Kuznetsov. Then You can imagine, that all three hangars begins at the same forward frame, with or without the heavy antiship missiles. The room for the heavy antiship missiles on Liaoning and type 001A is used for other things than hangar space.

The next carrier after type 001A is expected to get an enlarged primary flight control as could be seen on the Wuhan mock-up. An enlarged primary flight control is a hint for a larger air group. Expect the enlarged hangar on that ship. May be, the hangar has to be redesigned because of other types of aircraft used on future Chinese carriers.

 

[Gloire_bb]

you believe what you want to believe ... a dream is good

Original Varyag also had full reservance for catapults.
And you need to get steam somewhere to operate them.

Em cat can solve this, but we don't know it reliably. Steam cat definitely was planned there.

 

[Iron Man]

you believe what you want to believe ... a dream is good

you are totally free to disagree with me ... I have no issues ...

if you believe the hangar size and the propulsion of 001A are the same as Varyag ... good luck with that ... nothing else I can say

Note : Are you aware that original Varyag had 12 P-700 Anti=ship missiles and 196 SA-N-9 SAM ... with a new built 001A, do you think the Chinese engineers will be stuck with it and not trying to maximise the space not used and optimise it (aka bigger hangar)

Well those 196 SA-N-9 aren't exactly the biggest missiles in the world. They were also located on the 4 sponsons rather than in the main hull of the carrier. Also, the Granit missile tubes were located forward of the quadruple weapons elevators, so unless they removed all four of the weapons elevators (which is possible), then that extra space vacated by the Granits would not be connectable to the hangar which is aft of the weapons elevators.

 

[Intrepid]

Original Varyag also had full reservance for catapults. And you need to get steam somewhere to operate them [...] Steam cat definitely was planned there.

Can You tell more about that?

 

[Gloire_bb]

Can't add pictures w/o access to stationary pc.
In short - catapult was developed in 1980s, tested in 1986-1989. Strictly speaking, two of them: for Varyag and for Ulyanovsk classes, since steam specs of nuclear csrrier were different. Cat itself was successful and even somewhat superior to US one in energetic characteristics.
Developer - Proletarskiy zavod, Leningrad(c. Saint Petersburg).


Initially it was choice between cat and stobar, but stobar won. Later on - tracks were to be installed on angled deck.(mixed type)
It was far too late for Kuznetsov and even for Varyag building schedule(Varyag actually had to be returned&remade on later stages of hull construction, since initial weight and space limitations weren't met by resulting device), but on Ulyanovsk it would have been installed right away. Varyag had all necessary space reserves. Kuznetsov doesn't have them.

Btw, on a side note - project 1143.5 and 1143.6 carriers had much more differences than just this even before Liaoning's purchase.