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Remember, that Liaoning was christened after the tenth shipyard test.
CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations
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The difference is launching is irreversible, floating out is not. A ship launched from a slipway may go into a dry dock prior to completion, but she will never sit high and dry on a slip way ever again. In addition, launching involves some risk. Botched launching still happens from time to time. Hence launching is properly seen as a sort of rite of passage.
Floating out is purely ceremonial. There is no risk. There may even be no real reason to wet the ship at that moment. Sometimes these days the ship isn't even floated for the ceremony. They just pump in some water to get the keel wet, some people give some speech, a bottle of champagne is broken, then they pump the dock out again, and fitting out continues without the hull ever having moved.
Well, Liaoning wasn't exactly 'new' when she entered the PLAN register. It had some serious distance covered before.
It's a common move to combine launch with floating the ship out and then move it to the fitting out pier. On that occasion it leaves it's 'place of birth' for the first time and that's the reason why it's celebrated, other than that it's just not that meaningful (at least for me). And it's done mainly because shipyards wants it's dry dock empty for the construction of another ship.
And because of that risk at launching big ships are always launched by floating out the dry dock. There are simply too many things that can go wrong that no one is even considering the other (usual) way.
Yes, and many smaller warships are christened this way, even standing on the land and not even seeing water during the ceremony. But it doesn't have soul so naval countries with rich tradition do that in a little more old-school way.
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Very good point ... I remember when India launched INS Vikrant in Aug 2012, it was hardly ready ... only 50% completed ... it was rushed launched for political purpose. I dont think China would do the same, to me 001A is very much ready to launch ... way way better than Vikrant in 2012
I'd bet for big part of my money that 001A will get commissioned way before Vikrant ... even 001A started construction way after Vikrant launched and 50% bigger
note : Vikrant is planned to be full commissioned in 2023 ...11 years after launch and cost so far $3.8B ... from Indian track record, it will easily get slipped to 2025 or even 2030. At that point (2030), PLAN will easily get 4 very capable fully commissioned carriers, with 1 nuclear powered super carrier
This Indian carrier programme drains Indian military resources which could be used for other big projects .....
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There seems to be a systematic and persistent tendency in the procurement policy arms of the Indian military to overestimate the capabilities of the country's military industrial complex, embark on projects more geared towards giving the country the appearance of having a world class arms development capability than to actually address immediate operation needs, only to have those prestige projects linger for embarrassingly long periods in a state of of squalid unfulfillment, while the no heads roll in the procurement policy establish, and any lessons to be learned are resolutely ignored.
Sorry to be a nuisance but why the Chinese navy has started with cv16 & cv17 why not cv1 and keep on going like that ?
Thx in advance if somebody can give some detailed information on this
Thx in advance if somebody can give some detailed information on this
Guys, this is not an Indian Carrier thread. Go to that thread to talk about Indian carrier issues.
SD is also not a "bashing" forum of any type, so be careful not just to bash when you go there.
The Indians have two carriers in the water now. The Vikram is a decent STOBAR carrier...not as powerful as the Liaoning, but it can carry as many Mig-29Ks at the Liaoning carries J-15s.
The Vikrant is a new carrier, and a new design. Yes, the Indians have slipped quite a bit. But they did finally goet it all launched, and they are outfitting it now. I expect to see it do its first builders trials in the summer or early fall.
We shall see.
But none of that is really appropriate for the Chinese CV-17 thread.
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SD is also not a "bashing" forum of any type, so be careful not just to bash when you go there.
The Indians have two carriers in the water now. The Vikram is a decent STOBAR carrier...not as powerful as the Liaoning, but it can carry as many Mig-29Ks at the Liaoning carries J-15s.
The Vikrant is a new carrier, and a new design. Yes, the Indians have slipped quite a bit. But they did finally goet it all launched, and they are outfitting it now. I expect to see it do its first builders trials in the summer or early fall.
We shall see.
But none of that is really appropriate for the Chinese CV-17 thread.
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Let's remember what happened several years ago. The trading in the shares of one of the two Chinese shipbuilding concerns was suspended for half a year to arrange for the investment necessary to build flattops ( and perhaps also for 055's or for building nuclear powered ships? ). This was to me a very spectacular move and apparently entirely outside the thinking frame of Indian bureaucracy.
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