CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

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Intrepid

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I'm not familiar with how night landings are done on aircraft carrier but I suppose just as on landed runways, pilots are assisted by PAPI (Precision Approach Path Indicators) lightings during any landing and probably additional runway lightings during bad weather and night operation.
Additional to an instrument approach system with localizer and glidepath. Low visibility procedures may be more difficult than night procedures. The most demanding task may be night landings in low visibility with heavy rain, strong winds, gusts and a rough seastate. But they will start with an easier task like a calm moonlight night under a clear sky.
 

Hendrik_2000

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From global time and official commemorative video of 4 year anniversary since Liaoning commissioned. I guess they are in process of forming the CBG formation and as I said need to train more defensive move including submarine attack
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Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, told the Global Times.

Li said that the formation has not been fixed, explaining that the navy is still testing a combination of various types and numbers of ships to optimize the carrier's combat ability.

If it is short of aircraft, the carrier needs to be accompanied with more ships in air defense and countering submarine attacks, Li added.


China’s aircraft carrier uses real weapons in drill
By Guo Yuandan Source:Global Times Published: 2016/12/15 23:33:40

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Fighter jets onboard Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning await a military drill in the Bohai Sea on an undisclosed date in December.Photo: CFP


Chinese Navy Thursday revealed the details of a recent drill involving the country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning. It was the first time that the weapons used on the carrier were displayed in public since it entered service in 2012.

The drill was conducted in the Bohai Sea, involving dozens of ships and aircraft as well as several air-to-air, air-to-ship and ship-to-air missiles.

The J-15 carrier-based fighter jets carrying live ammunition also attended the drill.

Given that dozens of ships were used in this drill, the aircraft carrier was likely to be equipped with submarines, depot ships and fast combat support ships, in addition to guided missile destroyers Shenyang and Shijiazhuang, as well as two guided missile frigates Yantai and Weifang, which had been disclosed by the military, Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, told the Global Times.

Li said that the formation has not been fixed, explaining that the navy is still testing a combination of various types and numbers of ships to optimize the carrier's combat ability.

If it is short of aircraft, the carrier needs to be accompanied with more ships in air defense and countering submarine attacks, Li added.

The comprehensive drill shows enhanced capability of the Liaoning in coordinating marine and air defense, as well as anti-submarine tasks, Li said.

Currently, China operates one aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, which was refitted based on an unfinished Russian-made carrier and delivered to the Chinese Navy on September 25, 2012.

The carrier's original design allows it to carry about 30 fixed-wing aircraft.

The Liaoning has conducted successful take-off and landing tests of its carrier-borne J-15 fighters, the main strike force of China's carrier group.

China will comprehensively consider the development of aircraft carriers in accordance with the needs of national defense and military building, the Ministry of National Defence spokesman Yang Yujun said in 2013.

Yang said there will surely be more carriers in future.
 
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kwaigonegin

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I'm not familiar with how night landings are done on aircraft carrier but I suppose just as on landed runways, pilots are assisted by PAPI (Precision Approach Path Indicators) lightings during any landing and probably additional runway lightings during bad weather and night operation.

Yes. It's called OLS or meatball. Biggest difference is it is gyroscopically stabilized and can be manually controlled usually by the LSO.
If you install a regular PAPI on a carrier the plane will crash everytime because it's not stabilized for deck heaves and pitches and you have no human intervention. Every LSO especially one trained for night traps is a highly experienced naval aviator with hundreds of night landings under his belt.

I think the next gen landing system is in the works though. It wouldn't be a physical device on the deck but HUD base or projected onto HMDs.
 

bd popeye

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Yes. It's called OLS or meatball. Biggest difference is it is gyroscopically stabilized and can be manually controlled usually by the LSO.
If you install a regular PAPI on a carrier the plane will crash everytime because it's not stabilized for deck heaves and pitches and you have no human intervention. Every LSO especially one trained for night traps is a highly experienced naval aviator with hundreds of night landings under his belt.

I think the next gen landing system is in the works though. It wouldn't be a physical device on the deck but HUD base or projected onto HMDs.

Roger Ball!

Landing on a carrier is unlike any other landing a pilot can experience. It's not a computer game or CG created fantasy. It's real and dangerous.
 

SanWenYu

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Having watched the video posted by Jura, an idea came to my mind: when an airplane is arrested landing, would it help if the pilot's seat belt can automatically tighten up to keep him from charging forward?
 

Blackstone

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Having watched the video posted by Jura, an idea came to my mind: when an airplane is arrested landing, would it help if the pilot's seat belt can automatically tighten up to keep him from charging forward?
Wouldn't that mean the brain smacks against the front of the skull without the neck and back muscles to shock-absorb some of the forward momentum?
 
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