You can see clearly that planes 5,7 and 8 have their noses breaking the dotted line. If this is practice for spotting planes during active flight ops, that dotted line does not seem to represent a no-parking zone for landing fighters.
CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations
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It is practice to spot planes on the landing area, when departures are in progress - and to spot planes on the take-off area at recovery phase. For helicopter operation special obstacle clearences are relevant.
In the USN it is usual practice to "depart" and "recover" at the same time without having to relocate parked planes. I guess PLAN wants to make things harder on themselves.
BTW, you never were able to clarify a reason why the spot markings at all the positions are angled so that they do not intrude on the angled flight deck. If some or many of these spots are not meant to be used during recovery, why are they angled this way? Like I said before, marking those spots in a more perpendicular fashion (to the ship's long axis) would allow more planes to be parked in the same area.
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That is not true. Sometimes with less aircraft to depart or recover they will do landings and take offs simultaneously. But normally the deck is spottet for departure OR recovery.
I doubt you know enough about carrier ops to state with confidence that "normally" the deck is spotted for departure or recovery but not both.
Also, please answer why you think the Liaoning's spot markers (that you claim cannot be used during recovery) are slanted so that they do not intrude over the solid line of the angled flight deck.
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I don't know. Ask the Russian or Ukrainian People who had the idea to do so.
Well I think the answer is pretty obvious. Those spots are meant to be used to park planes during recovery. Otherwise they would not be oriented that way.
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We make no decisions, we make predictions. I have been observing carrier operation for 40 years. So far, every nation has noticed their safety markings on the flight decks. Why should the Chinese not? I am convinced that they will pay attention to their own markings.
You have a different opinion. No problem, time will tell.
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From an US-Navy checklist for deck personal:
Landing Procedure
Landing aircraft on a carrier is one of the most dangerous operations performed. All hands not involved in landing operations are ordered to clear the flight deck, catwalks, and guntubs. Personnel whose duties require that they be in exposed places must keep alert and watch incoming aircraft so they can get clear in case of an abnormal or emergency landing.
Before the aircraft landing, the flight deck aft is checked by the arresting gear officer to ensure the following:
- Catapult gear is clear of the landing area.
- The shuttle is retracted and the cover is in place on the No. 3 catapult.
- Sheaves are up in the aircraft area.
- The Fresnel Lens Optical Landing System (FLOLS) is turned on,or the manually operated visual landing system (MOVLAS) is rigged in its place.
- The barricade hatch is clear, and a tractor is hooked to the stored barricade if it is needed.
- The green rotating beacon at the aft end of the island is turned on.
- The aircraft are clear of the fouled deck line.
- The arresting gear crews are manned and ready.
- The landing signal officer's (LSO’s) platform is manned and ready.
- The gear is set for the first aircraft. (The recovery officer then calls, "Gear manned and ready; need a green light from the PRI-FLY.")
- The stanchions are all the way down.
- The removable coamings are stored.
- The aircraft elevators are up and in the locked position.
WARNING: Personnel should not turn their backs on landing aircraft or aircraft taxiing out of the arresting gear.
I think, the Chinese will not alter these procedures.
Landing Procedure
Landing aircraft on a carrier is one of the most dangerous operations performed. All hands not involved in landing operations are ordered to clear the flight deck, catwalks, and guntubs. Personnel whose duties require that they be in exposed places must keep alert and watch incoming aircraft so they can get clear in case of an abnormal or emergency landing.
Before the aircraft landing, the flight deck aft is checked by the arresting gear officer to ensure the following:
- Catapult gear is clear of the landing area.
- The shuttle is retracted and the cover is in place on the No. 3 catapult.
- Sheaves are up in the aircraft area.
- The Fresnel Lens Optical Landing System (FLOLS) is turned on,or the manually operated visual landing system (MOVLAS) is rigged in its place.
- The barricade hatch is clear, and a tractor is hooked to the stored barricade if it is needed.
- The green rotating beacon at the aft end of the island is turned on.
- The aircraft are clear of the fouled deck line.
- The arresting gear crews are manned and ready.
- The landing signal officer's (LSO’s) platform is manned and ready.
- The gear is set for the first aircraft. (The recovery officer then calls, "Gear manned and ready; need a green light from the PRI-FLY.")
- The stanchions are all the way down.
- The removable coamings are stored.
- The aircraft elevators are up and in the locked position.
WARNING: Personnel should not turn their backs on landing aircraft or aircraft taxiing out of the arresting gear.
I think, the Chinese will not alter these procedures.
How does this in any way help your case? We are talking about which line is the "fouled deck line" for the Liaoning. You say it's the dotted line. I think it's the solid line. The spot markings for positions 9, 10, 11, and 12 are placed in such a way as to avoid going over the solid line, but do not respect the dotted line. If these positions are not meant to be used during recovery operations, there is no reason to angle them so steeply towards the bow. This is something you have avoided accounting for this whole time. BTW, if they wanted to respect the dotted line, there is actually enough room on the port side to create a dotted line of the same spacing and still spot a fighter at position 11 but orient it directly facing forward. You have also never accounted for why the dotted line veers sharply away from the angled flight deck as you move towards the bow. If that dotted line was meant for the angled flight deck it would stay parallel the whole way.
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