CV-16, CV-17 STOBAR carrier thread (001/Liaoning, 002/Shandong)
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Where is this confirmed so that we know? As far as I know, we know plans of the Liaoning‘s hangar and that was exactly the same of what we saw during construction of the Shandong. Even more we have inside images of both hangars and both are the same … so IMO thsi „we know„ is not knowing but a repeatedly perpetuated rumour that is still accepted by some as a fact; but it isn‘t.
No, you can't judge the precise size of a hangar of about 170m x 35m by one panoramic view image like this one:
And PLAN has never publicate any blueprint of the hangar deck.
You should measure with a ruler in both hangars and then make a conclusion that 'they are the same'.
My opinions:
1. When Liaoning first showed up, the J-15 fleet were numbered from 100-123 with a total of 24 (and some were lost during the first stage operation). Now we've discovered the wings of Shandong with numbers continuous from 60 to 90 (I have images of all these 30 planes except No.89). So I think the CV-17 could carry more than 24 J-15s. They won't keep as much as six airframes for reserve when the max configuration is 24.
2. Being an upgraded design of Kuznetsov class, Shandong could, and also should have a bigger hangar than Liaoning to significantly increase its firepower. I don't think they would carefully modify the superstructer but keep the unreasonable small hangar.
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I found a picture of Kuznetsov's flight deck in which we could see the P-700 canisters.
The P-700 canisters are not very large. Comparing to the Su-25 in the image (wingspan 14.36m) I think the canisters may occupy a 6m x 12m rectangle.
But we don't know exactly what's next to the sides of the canisters room. Maybe there are possible space to expand the hangar but also maybe not since it's near the bow.
There may be space in the rear end of the hangar.
And also, Shandong could be several meters longer and / or wider than Liaoning making the hangar capable of tile more J-15s.
I think these detailed info would not be released before the ship dicommissioned.
But one thing is true: The designer won't leave the hangar the same size as Liaoning if there is a bit possibility.
The P-700 canisters are not very large. Comparing to the Su-25 in the image (wingspan 14.36m) I think the canisters may occupy a 6m x 12m rectangle.
But we don't know exactly what's next to the sides of the canisters room. Maybe there are possible space to expand the hangar but also maybe not since it's near the bow.
There may be space in the rear end of the hangar.
And also, Shandong could be several meters longer and / or wider than Liaoning making the hangar capable of tile more J-15s.
I think these detailed info would not be released before the ship dicommissioned.
But one thing is true: The designer won't leave the hangar the same size as Liaoning if there is a bit possibility.
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Oh come on! On the one side you reject my post and tell me to go measure both hangars with a ruler to compare but you take your wild guesses based on wishful thinking and rumours for granted to find any reason there might be more space.
Even more your claim it could hold 4 J-15s more is based on what? The PLAN also has never disclosed any data on the aircraft for both carriers
Let's just take it easy ... what's more probable?
- my (or I think, most here agree) claim: based on all imagery we have seen NOTHING that hints the hangar to be larger, wider or that besides the smaller island's footprint, more J-15s can be carried. And finally, the Liaoning and Shandong both have exactly the same length.
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- your claim: it has a larger hangar, maybe wider, longer to hold more J-15s and even more "Shandong could be several meters longer and / or wider than Liaoning making the hangar capable of tile more J-15s."
Sorry to say, but that's ridiculous and pure wishful thinking only to keep any chance open to let your idea be real, but it is not!
@Blitzo
Keep in mind that j15 takes up less space than Rafale m when folded. Rafale doesn't fit in elevator of Indian carriers!
They tricky part with j15 is that it takes a long time to fold those wings and tailfins. Also, you can't hang missiles on the wings when they are folded. So, it does slow down your operation.
Please show me the source that can prove the hangar of Shandong is the same as that of Liaoning.
Your expression "all imagery we have seen NOTHING that hints the hangar to be larger" is really shocking to me.
I can't imagine that the hangar size of two carrier can be measured by news photo ...with eyes!
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