CV-16, CV-17 STOBAR carrier thread (001/Liaoning, 002/Shandong)

[defenceman]

Today marks the 12th anniversary of carrier Liaoning entering service.

Hi,
how many more years Liaoning can keep on going with the new inductions,
and during these 12 years it’s already been upgraded or there is certain number
of years before they upgrade and refit all of it again
thank you

 

[GiantPanda]

Hi,
how many more years Liaoning can keep on going with the new inductions,
and during these 12 years it’s already been upgraded or there is certain number
of years before they upgrade and refit all of it again
thank you

It looks like it can sailor on for a couple of decades. It was practically rebuilt in Dalian before entering the Navy in 2012. Also, the hull when towed from Ukraine was unfinished as opposed to an old hull that was used and aged.

With China going to CATOBAR, Liaoning would primarily be a training that can deploy on patrols as well (in fact, it is in or returning from a Western Pacific deployment as we speak.)

 

[lcloo]

Hi,
how many more years Liaoning can keep on going with the new inductions,
and during these 12 years it’s already been upgraded or there is certain number
of years before they upgrade and refit all of it again
thank you

Aircraft carriers are usually designed for service life of 50 years, which means Liaoning will be in service to around 2060. How will Liaoning (and Shandong) be upgraded in future depends on many factors. One important question is will it retain its role as combat capable aircraft carrier when all J15 and J15Bs retired in around 2035-2040, and how many aircraft carriers with catapult capacity will be built by then.

By 2035 to 2040, if China has 5 to 6 catapult carriers, Liaoning and Shandong may be given different roles which we cannot confirm as at now. They may upgrade them as drone carriers, amphibious assault support ships, over-sized anti-submarine ships (which is many posters' dream on type 076), or just simply as a training ship for new pilots.

 

[johncliu88]

Aircraft carriers are usually designed for service life of 50 years, which means Liaoning will be in service to around 2060. How will Liaoning (and Shandong) be upgraded in future depends on many factors. One important question is will it retain its role as combat capable aircraft carrier when all J15 and J15Bs retired in around 2035-2040, and how many aircraft carriers with catapult capacity will be built by then.

By 2035 to 2040, if China has 5 to 6 catapult carriers, Liaoning and Shandong may be given different roles which we cannot confirm as at now. They may upgrade them as drone carriers, amphibious assault support ships, over-sized anti-submarine ships (which is many posters' dream on type 076), or just simply as a training ship for new pilots.

Or sell them to Russia if they still want a carrier.

 

[escobar]

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From 20th to 26th, number of takeoffs and landings by carrier-based fighter was about 250, and that of carrier-based helicopters was about 160, totaling about 410.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Or sell them to Russia if they still want can afford to operate a carrier.

Fixed that for you.

 

[johncliu88]

Fixed that for you.

Thanks for your correction.

 

[A.Man]

Recent Movements of Brothers

Liaoning-Red Line
Roosevelt-Yellow Line

 

[Maikeru]

Interesting thread on J15 sortie rates. Seems CV16 can do 37 per day and CV17 47 per day sustained for about a week.

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Quite creditable for medium CVs. Do we know what sort of sortie rates CdG has achieved, and the theoretical max rates of QEC?

 

[gelgoog]

Quite creditable for medium CVs. Do we know what sort of sortie rates CdG has achieved, and the theoretical max rates of QEC?

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Then there is the sortie rate, basically how many aircraft that can be launched or recovered in a 24 hour period. The Queen Elizabeth is 50% larger and can do about 110 for 36 jets. Based on US Navy’s carrier displacement vs sortie rate studies, the Charles de Gaulle can only do between 50 and 55.

I would take those numbers with a huge chunk of salt though.