Crisis in the Ukraine

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Dannhill

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English translation of Strelkov's "I shall Return". He seems to be hinting that by end of September he shall return to the front lines.

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The following was posted by Igor Strelkov on a Russian social forum

Comrades and the accompanying ladies!

Snake [n.b. a nickname of a forum admin?] talked me into logging into the forum and telling at least a few words about what is happening. Due to a number of circumstances I won't comment in any way on the events that occur in Novorossia. I will only note that I am, to put it mildly, "not jubilant".

As for the rest:

1. Everything that is related to my resignation and departure and the subsequent silence was a necessary consequence of a number of circumstances, which I am not going to explain in this format. Perhaps, somewhat later.

2. I wasn't in Yalta and I wasn't going to be there. Under the cover of my name a PR-sabbath was organized there by the paid friends of a "fur animal" [n.b. this is a transparent hint at Surkov, which sounds similar to "сурок" in Russian, which translates into "marmot"] which must not confused with fox [n.b. absolutely untranslatable play of words.. another furred animal "песец" that's also used as an expletive in Russian meaning, the end result is making the already transparent hint at Surkov even less transparent plus bringing an element of a thinly veiled insult directed at Mr. Surkov into the whole sentence]. The fact that Mozgovoi and Druz were there is a consequence of this hoax and nothing else. Also, I don't know anything about the rally on September 13th, where I am apparently supposed to show up.

3. Anatoly El-Murid [n.b. the famous Russian blogger el_murid, who is an acquaintance of Strelkov] writes whatever he thinks is necessary, but he is in touch with me. Verbal attacks on him in my view are indirect evidence of the attackers affiliation with the "birds from Surkov's nest" with corresponding conclusions with respect to them ("there is such a profession – to love one's Motherland for money!").

4. I read the "Questions to Strelkov". I won't reply right now. Later.

5. I don't remove the responsibility for the situation in Donetsk from myself. I am well-informed about what is currently happening there. But right now I cannot influence it in any way, unfortunately. For now.

6. I will definitely continue to fight for my Homeland in one format or another. Let my numerous "well-wishers" (in Russia and Novorossia and also in the Ruin) have no illusions in this respect. While I'm alive they won't sleep well. Also I'm sending a "message" to someone in Donetsk, as it is often said these days "I'm angry and my memory is good". :) This especially concerns one elderly fan of good cigars and whiskey, who was successfully pretending to be "an officer and a patriot" for more than 20 years. He will understand. Respect and honour is no longer about him. As for various scum among the locals, no mater who is on whose leash, I also suggest them not to forget that I'm still alive and capable of acting.

7. Yulia Latynina and Co. (n.b. this presumably refers to the liberal crowd at the radio station "Echo of Moscow") shouldn't expect me in their company. I never had and will never have anything in common with them. "They are in need of great upheavals..." (n.b. a reference to the famous quote by Pyotr Stolypin: "You, gentlemen, are in need of great upheavals; we are in need of Great Russia.").

8. By the end of September a second book of my fairy tales should come out, which was launched into publication already before departing into Crimea.

Respectfully, Strelok
 

Air Force Brat

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I just heard BBC Radio 4 news say something sensible! It said that the report is not specific but made it seem likely that the aircraft was brought down by a surface to air missile of the type Buk. But that didn't give the answer to the question who was responsible because such systems were present on both sides.

Actually the DutchNews.nl report states that the BBC was reporting that three civilian eyewitness observed Russian operators of the BUK, and one stated that the accent was distinctly Russian, because of the different inflection on the "g", reporting that "they", the Russians say it differently?

It is clear that President Obama clearly had "accurate" intel, and that he has already named, the "usual suspects". Hope our "speculators" will acknowledge the truth when it does come out, rather than recite more "fairly tales"? but I'm not going to hold my breath..... brat
 

delft

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Actually the DutchNews.nl report states that the BBC was reporting that three civilian eyewitness observed Russian operators of the BUK, and one stated that the accent was distinctly Russian, because of the different inflection on the "g", reporting that "they", the Russians say it differently?

It is clear that President Obama clearly had "accurate" intel, and that he has already named, the "usual suspects". Hope our "speculators" will acknowledge the truth when it does come out, rather than recite more "fairly tales"? but I'm not going to hold my breath..... brat
True, but they didn't say they saw a missile fired. The foreign affairs commentator on my favorite radio station considered the Panorama program to be extremely meager.
I was curious to hear about the exact place MH17 was when it was hit considering that we saw an analysis in this thread about the inability of the missile to reach the aircraft at that place from the place indicated by the Guardian and Daily Telegraph journalists. Such information was not given or was not transmitted by the journalists if it was given.
When President Obama said he had accurate intel I understood that a US intelligence satellite had seen the launch of the missile. And when anonymous intelligence people told US journalists that they had no evidence, after which President Obama didn't repeat his remark, I supposed that they hadn't seen the launch, which must mean there hadn't been a launch and the aircraft had been downed by a Ukie fighter, or that they had found out that the missile had been launched by a Ukie launcher and they didn't want to say.
On Dutch radio it was repeatedly said that the report didn't have any speculation about the guilt of any party because they might have to cooperate with that party during the investigation but only one speaker, and that a senior military analyst from the The Hague think tank, mentioned Ukraine in that context.
 
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Mr T

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I'm not saying they did that and there is no proof for that for now, but it is worth examining

It's worth examining a baseless claim because it's possible?

Perhaps we should investigate the possibility that the Chinese government has engineered a shortage of women in China through the one-child policy (knowing the cultural preference for boys) to create tens of millions of single, angry men, who will be useful cannon-fodder in a coming war.

Or we could not, because it's clearly a stupid idea.

thunderchief, be honest - how much do you know about the Netherlands? I don't think it's a lot, is it? We're talking about a generally quiet, peaceful country. You can't work from a position of suspicion and then try to hunt around for evidence. You should take the most rational position and only deviate from that if you have evidence to prove otherwise. It is not rational for a country like the Netherlands to be complicit in the murder of hundreds of its own people for some unspecified purpose. The Dutch people I know would be deeply offended by any suggestion to the contrary.
 

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I think that is more than enough MH17 from all quarters
The report tells us nothing that was not already in the public domain, adds nothing new of any description and provides no good reason to violate the existing moderation rules on this subject.

This morning we had no evidence other than that from Russia, this evening we still have no evidence other than that from Russia.

Until such time as that changes, there is nothing to discuss

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Dannhill

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Good article from Cassad on analysis of opposing force structures and composition.
Followed by his take on the general opening thrust of the renewed Kiev offensive after using the truce to halt the general route at Mariupol, bring up new mobilised forces and tanks, build up pillbox fortifications on the west of Mariupol to block more separatists movement west.

Kiev offensive success must be before November, after which late Autumn slush will turn the ground to mud with movements restricted to roads only. Winter will stop all fighting and bring devastating hardship to both sides. New Russia is not assured of free oil from Russia.

A new Spring offensive will depend on how Kiev weathered the winter, if they have money and men.

The militia future depends on surviving the forthcoming Kiev offensive.

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Dannhill

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Saker warns that the ceasefire is ending soon as Kiev was never sincere about a truce. Full blown war in Europe might just be days away. The powers behind Kiev expected Putin to blink first in the Game of Chicken. I seriously doubt he's that sort.

"Today I have posted exceptionally many articles. I try to get the to you, the readers, as fast as I can, but some might have been annoyed by the intensity of this deluge. If that is your case, please accept my apologies: there is just so much going on and to cover that waiting just does not seem to make sense to me. In conclusion to this hectic day, I want to add one short but I think most important note: the ceasefire is not holding.

Sure, that is exactly as predicted, but since there is a lot of polarization about the rationale behind this ceasefire, I think that it is important to keep in mind that is is already going down the tubes. It is obvious, really: the UE/NATO gave the Ukies the maximal incentive to break the ceasefire and the Ukies are acting on it. Besides, Poroshenko does not really control the Junta Repression Forces anyway and the local Nazis are ignoring his orders. The Russian side is trying hard "not to notice" the Ukie shelling and even ground attacks, but even Zakharchenko had to admit today that the Ukies are violating the ceasefire. The Novorussian Armed Forces appear to be very really angry at the fact that Mariupol and Debaltsevo have not been taken and the fact that the Ukies are shelling only makes their rage worse.

At this point I don't see how a full-scale resumption of combat activities could be avoided. I guess that we will find out soon.

Kind regards and good night,

The Saker"

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delft

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Saker warns that the ceasefire is ending soon as Kiev was never sincere about a truce. Full blown war in Europe might just be days away. The powers behind Kiev expected Putin to blink first in the Game of Chicken. I seriously doubt he's that sort.

"Today I have posted exceptionally many articles. I try to get the to you, the readers, as fast as I can, but some might have been annoyed by the intensity of this deluge. If that is your case, please accept my apologies: there is just so much going on and to cover that waiting just does not seem to make sense to me. In conclusion to this hectic day, I want to add one short but I think most important note: the ceasefire is not holding.

Sure, that is exactly as predicted, but since there is a lot of polarization about the rationale behind this ceasefire, I think that it is important to keep in mind that is is already going down the tubes. It is obvious, really: the UE/NATO gave the Ukies the maximal incentive to break the ceasefire and the Ukies are acting on it. Besides, Poroshenko does not really control the Junta Repression Forces anyway and the local Nazis are ignoring his orders. The Russian side is trying hard "not to notice" the Ukie shelling and even ground attacks, but even Zakharchenko had to admit today that the Ukies are violating the ceasefire. The Novorussian Armed Forces appear to be very really angry at the fact that Mariupol and Debaltsevo have not been taken and the fact that the Ukies are shelling only makes their rage worse.

At this point I don't see how a full-scale resumption of combat activities could be avoided. I guess that we will find out soon.

Kind regards and good night,

The Saker"

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Perhaps Kiev will be able to prevent investigation of the MH17 wreck before the snow falls.
 
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