Crisis in the Ukraine

Status
Not open for further replies.

Dannhill

Junior Member
I saw a photo of the separatists showing off captured equipment and one shot was of the big Russian Kord sniper rifle. Haven't seen any photos of the separatists with this at all.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



speaking of foreign arms in the Ukraine, i have been looking back over the pictures from the Ukraine and one weapon seems missing. In 2012 the Ukraine licensed production of the IWI Tavor and its X95 derivative but chambered in the Russian 5.45x39AK74 bullet. Remarkably i have not seen a single one of these in either Pro Russian or Pro Government hands.
 

delft

Brigadier
A comment on the truce from Belarus:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, September 8.
Novorussia - Surrender or victory?

by Yuri Baranchik

So, what happened in Minsk? Surrender or victory? This is the kind of argument that not only the average citizen of our immense territory is currently having, but unfortunately, also a significant part of the expert community. There is no simple answer to this question without considering what had happened a week earlier in Brussels at the EU summit and at the NATO summit on the 4th and 5th of September in Newport, Wales.
Russia won a political victory in Brussels: the EU (Germany and the countries of the Old Europe) refused to impose new sanctions against Russia under pressure from the United States and its most loyal vassal states (Britain, Poland, the Baltic States and Ukraine). Thus, the EU chose not to escalate the conflict with Russia on the eve of winter. Furthermore, the EU itself has advised a way out of the situation on the South Stream and remove it from the sanctions of the Third Energy Package: to apply the same rules that apply to offshore projects of the EU; for example in Bulgaria, to allow Gazprom to buy them and connect them to the "South Stream".

Despite the many hints and threats from the USA’s poodles on the eve of the summit of NATO member countries (as we have discussed in detail in the article "The fate of Novorossia: the US raising the stakes": a) a threat of deployment of a European missile defense system against Russia; b) establishing five new NATO bases in Poland, Romania and the Baltic States; c) breaching the terms of the Founding Act "Russia - NATO"), the summit only concluded with an official statement, which reflects the opinion of the North Atlantic Alliance on the current events on the territory of the disintegrating Ukraine.

As expected, NATO condemned the Russian military invasion of the Ukraine; urged Russia to withdraw its military from Ukraine; to cease its assistance to the militias and intervening in the situation in Ukraine under any pretext. There was no discussion of anything else - not about the violation of the terms of the Founding "Russia - NATO" Act, the deployment of the European missile defense, or of NATO bases in the five above-mentioned countries. According to Rasmussen, he took into consideration (it can’t be said any better) the desire of the Poles, Balts and Romanians to place NATO "transit points" on their territories.

What does this tell us? The EU, despite all of the threats and cries of the U.S. and their accommodating "tough-talking" poodles, is not ready to go beyond the current level of confrontation with Russia. Germany, the countries of not only the Old Europe (Greece, Italy) but also the New Europe (Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary) have opposed the escalating level of anti-Russian rhetoric, the development of new sanctions, and especially, the inclusion of mechanisms and instruments of pressure by NATO.

Furthermore, the recent summits in Brussels and Newport showed that Europe wants to end the current tense relationship with Russia as quickly as possible and return to the previous level of cooperation, despite, let me stress, the current events in Ukraine. In fact, Europe agrees with the return to Russia of her historical territories (Crimea and those regions of Ukraine which had been given to her by the Bolsheviks) in exchange for an uninterrupted supply of gas and the continuation of mutually beneficial trade and economic cooperation.

The reason for this is that Europe is not happy with the new format of Ukraine's statehood, which was established there after the February revolution. Therefore, this dangerous regime, which entails instability, has to end. In the way it was hinted at the talks in Minsk on the eve of winter.

Therefore, the achievement of the ceasefire agreement between the junta and the representatives of Novorossia in Minsk is a major victory for Russia, because it didn’t allow the United States to sever relations between Russia and Europe and gave Europe the necessary arguments for the rejection and blocking both in Brussels and in Newport, of the decisions that the US was prepared to launch against Russia. It is a big joint victory for Russia and the EU today.

Now let's go back to the long-suffering Novorossiya. Many, even such distinguished experts as Boris Rozhin, consider what has happened as a sell-out of Novorossia. Let's look at this in more detail.

First, apparently, Poroshenko and the junta are not going to abide by the terms of the truce – the shelling of Donetsk, Lugansk, and Gorlovka and the fighting in the district of Mariupol by the junta’s troops continue. Therefore, the hands of the resistance forces are no longer tied.

Secondly, if attacks by the junta’s troops were to stop and the peaceful and boring process of negotiations were to resume, where would those residents of Ukraine, who are now under the authority of a neo-banderite fascist junta, shift most of their attention to? That’s right; it’d switch to the internal problems: the price of food, gasoline, inflation; unemployment; the hryvna’s weakening exchange rate; gangsterism, and etc. etc. Poroshenko will be pretending that he is making decisions because he needs to win the parliamentary elections.

What will Kolomoisky, Lyashko, the battalions of the National Guard and all those others who are interested in kindling the fires of war, do? What are they supposed to do? There is nothing for them to do in such circumstances; therefore, tensions within the junta will increase. Even if Russia and Germany are able to continue to keep Poroshenko from the use of force in the East, sooner or later the abscess inside the junta will burst.

About the "new Transnistria". This is what the experts scare the population and neophytes with as a proof of the American party and the government’s slogan that "Putin sold out". The fact is that the phenomenon of Transnistria has only become so because of one factor - the absence of a common border with Russia. Nothing else. Abkhazia and South Ossetia have a common border with Russia which is another matter. Yes, technically they are all unrecognized states. But in reality, I emphasize, in reality Abkhazia and South Ossetia, unlike Transnistria, are under the protection of the Russian army, and no-one in his right mind would dare stick his nose in there..

Therefore, the scenario of a "new Transnistria" in relation to the DPR and LPR is out of the question - the common border with Russia rules out such a scenario. Yes, these regions will have an uncertain status for some time. However, after the bursting of the abscess in Kiev or another scenario the two regions of Novorossia will be joined by the other five that were handed over to Ukraine by the Bolsheviks. And that will be the end of Ukraine in its present form.

In conclusion, about the main question: why did Russia choose this course and not speed up events in Novorossia? The first reason has already been mentioned: it was necessary to give Germany and Europe the arguments required not to allow the US to implement their prepared-in-advance positions at the summits in Brussels and Newport.

Secondly, it is necessary to provide Europe with a calm winter and not to let those Eastern European countries that depend on gas supplies through Ukraine, to freeze. Because, if chaos begins on the territory of the Ruin and the gas pipelines begin to be blown up, Eastern Europe will freeze, and the US will then have very strong arguments with which to put pressure on the EU in regards to Russia's position in the Ukrainian crisis.

Therefore, the question of uninterrupted gas supplies to Europe in the winter is one of the most important ones. This alone is a reason for the ceasefire, not to mention the welfare of the peaceful inhabitants of Novorossia.

Besides, a cold and hungry winter will bring to their senses those in Ukraine who are now controlled by the junta. The junta will be pushed out after the winter anyway.

Thirdly, the rapid capture of all seven regions of Novorossia would give the US a pretext to build a new iron curtain. Not somewhere in Germany, but right on the border with Russia and in the form of the notorious NATO bases in the Baltic States, Poland, and Romania. At the same time, we would permanently lose the rest of Ukraine, which is unacceptable. That is, any immediate division of Ukraine gives us a victory: so much was captured and so quickly. However, from a strategic and long-term perspective, such a scenario would in the end be our defeat, because we would lose the rest of Ukraine and in addition, would allow the US to take full and complete control over Europe.

***

That's why we need all of Ukraine, which, similar to Belarus, will be friendly to Russia and join (with the possible exception of the three Western regions) the Eurasian Economic Union. Together we will then form a trade zone with the EU that will unite the entire Eurasian continent from France and Holland to China, Iran and India in a single trade and economic zone.

Posted by VINEYARDSAKER: at 03:41 4 comments:
Labels: Novorussian resistance, Russian options in the Ukraine
 

Dannhill

Junior Member
Cassad said as much as that.

"We all agreed one thing completely to "merge" the project Novorossia not turn has no one: neither ukroem Nazis nor the traitors from Moscow nor their Western curators."

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


"Russia as well get what you want in the form of a reduction of rhetoric USA and its satellites and the postponement of the sanctions."

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


Cassad belongs to the hardcore faction of New Russia.

A comment on the truce from Belarus:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, September 8.
 

delft

Brigadier
We read a lot about Kiev forces organised outside the army. Here is a survey of these forces from the side of an opponent:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Territorial battalions of the Kiev junta

September 8th, 0:00

A hard-working comrade began to collect statistics on the assorted punitive and territorial battalions of the junta, where the structure is very confusing. Below is basically a skeleton for a large database on the structure of the whole punitive organization, but sooner or later, this table would be completely filled in.

Territorial battalions

Definition:
The National Guard of Ukraine [(“NGU”), also known as Nationalist Guard, NaziGuard, or simply nazis,] - a structure with law enforcement functions, a part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs(Police) of Ukraine, created by transforming the Police Internal Troops on March 12th, 2014 via a new law "On the National Guard of Ukraine".

By converting the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs into the National Guard of Ukraine, the [coup-formed] Ukrainian government has achieved the following goals:
- Break the continuity of command in the ranks of the internal troops and the Ministry of Interior and put their men in key positions;
- To continue the repression of political opponents under the guise of "cleaning the ranks of the internal troops and the Ministry of Interior";
- Delete the files of criminal and administrative offenses, which in the case of disclosure could discredit the government;
- Replace the too "by-the-book" people in the former internal security forces, to replace the "law and order" in the ranks of internal troops and the Interior Ministry with "ideological purity" and "nationalist ideals".

Due to these changes the ranks of the NGU have swelled with [nationalist] volunteers and [extremist] fighters of the “Right Sector”. But, despite the apparent "ideological bias", the confrontation between different battalions of the NGU, due to different understanding of the national idea, and different level of training, has by now split the ranks of the National Guard into three structures:

1) Territorial battalions, punitive battalions. "Azov", "Donbass", "Aidar", "Shahtersk", etc., entirely or mostly staffed by people with criminal records, nationalists and "Right Sector" men, as well as volunteers from the Baltic states, Georgia, and PMC mercenaries. These tend to have an extremely brutal attitude towards the locals they are supposed to be “liberating”. Because statutes and regulations of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine are not inherited by the new battalions, these "liberators" are using all possible methods of warfare and punitive actions in traditions of their forebears from SS- Galician, UPA and other Ukrainian ultranationalist organizations of World War II. In view of their "specialization" these units tend to also have the highest casualty rates. Identifying marking of these units is yellow duct tape.

2) Volunteer territorial battalions. "Vinnitsa", "Tavria", "Sich", "Phoenix", etc. These are formed of volunteers who have, according to the propaganda machine of Ukraine, been changed enough to be suitable for punitive battalions. Lack military training, as well as both ideological and legal basis for fighting in a war. Identifying marking of these units is also yellow duct tape.

3) The police battalions. "Skif", "Kherson", "Kiev-1" and others. Remains of the internal troops that somehow escaped the purges in the ranks of Ministry of Interior, and mainly serve as units guarding Slavyansk and other "liberated" cities, as well as finding suitable "volunteers" for punitive battalions among persons with criminal records. Presumably, identifying marking of these units is red duct tape.

Below are battalion names, numbers, the place of formation, sponsor, commanders, composition.
Battalions are listed in alphabetical order.
-----------------------------------------
"Azov" - battalion "Azov"
place of formation: 2014.05 Mariupol (presumably)
sponsors: Igor Kolomoisky, Arsen Avakov
Commander: Andrew Biletsky, Igor Moseichuk (Deputy Battalion Commander)
Support base: 2014.08.16. Urzuf
Heavy weapons: armored "KAMAZ" truck, 4 armored personnel carriers
Composition: 300 people
The core of the “Azov” battalion are ultra-radical nationalists of the "Social-National Assembly", "Right sector", "Patriot of Ukraine", "Maidan Self-Defense" movements.
именные списки:

1) Vyacheslav Galway
killed 2014.08.26
instructor in the battalion
Colonel of the General Intelligence Department in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
2) Sergey "Balagan" Grek
killed 2014.08.04
Russian citizen
3) Nikolai Berezovoi
2014.08.10 killed, Ilovajsk
platoon commander, the husband of the well-known Ukrainian journalist Tatyana Chornovol

-----------------------------------------
"Aydar", battalion №24, 24th Volunteer Battalion
place of formation:? 2014.05
sponsor: Igor Kolomoisky
Commander: Sergei Melnychuk
composition:
1st assembly. 2014.06.19 destroyed by Lugansk, near the village of Metallist
2nd assembly.
Third assembly. 2014.09.01 destroyed by Lugansk Airport
name lists:
1) Oleg Mikhnyuk
killed 2014.08.20
company commander, the commander of the 8th "Afghan" company of the Maidan self-defense
2) Philip Slobodenyuk
killed 2014.08.16
commander of the 1st company of the battalion

-----------------------------------------
"Artem’evsk" battalion

place of formation: Dnepropetrovsk
sponsor:
commander:

-----------------------------------------
"Vinnitsa" territorial defense battalion №9
place of formation: Vinnitsa
sponsor:
commander:

-----------------------------------------
"Volyn" battalion
place of formation:
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Gepard" 9th Regiment of the NGU special forces
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander Andrew Teteruk (killed 2014.08.29. Ilovajsk)

-----------------------------------------
"Gorin" battalion
place of formation: Rivne region
sponsor:
commander:
composition: the 1st battalion assembly destroyed 2014.08.15
-----------------------------------------
"Dnepr-1" battalion

place of formation: Dnepropetrovsk 2014.04.14
sponsor: Igor Kolomoisky Arsen Avakov
commander:
Composition: > 500+ infantry. Supposedly the main forces of PMC mercenaries are concentrated here. This is partially confirmed by the resistance of individual units of the battalion in the Donetsk airport and surrounding areas
-----------------------------------------
"Dnepr-2" battalion

place of formation:
sponsor: Igor Kolomoisky
Commander: Dmitry Yarosh (presumably)
-----------------------------------------
"Donbass" battalion
place of formation: 2014.04. Dnepropetrovsk
sponsor: Igor Kolomoisky
Commander: Semen Semenchenko (real name - Grishin)
composition:
1st assembly.
2nd assembly.
Third assembly: 630 people, 4000 in reserve
Rotation - One company of "Donbass" became a part of the 24th territorial defense "Aidar" battalion the Ministry of Defense
name lists:
1) Alexander Romanenko
killed 2014.08.19
commander of the reconnaissance company
2) Mark Paslavsky
killed 2014.08.19
55 years old, graduate of the West Point American military academy, former United States Army Major
3) Sergey Shkarovsky
killed 2014.08.19
captain
4) Yuriy Boyko
2014.08.10 killed, Ilovajsk
Battalion overseer from the NGU headquarters
5) Yuri Litvinsky
2014.08.10 killed, Ilovajsk
deputy battalion commander
-----------------------------------------
"Golden Gate" special police patrol battalion
place of formation:
sponsor:
commander: Nikolai Shvalya
-----------------------------------------
"Ivano-Frankovsk"
place of formation:
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Kiev-1" special battalion
place of formation:
sponsor: Klitschko brothers, Arsen Avakov
Commander Eugen Deydey
Composition: 430 enlisted, 32 officers
-----------------------------------------
"Kiev-2", Battalion?
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander: Bogdan Wojciechowski
-----------------------------------------
"Kievan Rus" battalion №11, Kiev territorial defense battalion
place of formation: Kiev
sponsor:
Commander Alexander Gumeniuk (killed 2014.08.15)
-----------------------------------------
"Krivbass", battalion №40
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander: 1st. (killed 2014.08.08)
2nd. Alexander Motril
-----------------------------------------
"L’vov" battalion
place of formation: L’vov
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Mirotvorec" special police battalion
place of formation:
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Nikolaev", "St. Nicholas", battalion?
place of formation:
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Rights Right", a mercenary unit of the SBU
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander: curator Dmitry Snegiryov
-----------------------------------------
"Cis-Carpathian", battalion №5
place of formation: Mobilized (mainly from the Hutsul ethnicity) in Ivano-Frankovsk region
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Svityaz" police battalion
place of formation: Kherson
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Skif" 23rd police battalion
place of formation: staffed mainly by mobilized residents of Zaporozhye and police volunteers
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Temur" special battalion
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander: Temur Yuldashev
-----------------------------------------
"Tavria" battalion

place of formation: Kherson
sponsor:
commander:
Use: Sabotage Battalion
Composition: 14 people as of 2014.08.16
-----------------------------------------
"Ukraine" battalion "Ukraine"
place of formation:
sponsor: Oleg Lyashko
Composition: presumably, Lyashko’s personal guards, within the “Shahtersk” battalion.
-----------------------------------------
"Phoenix" Battalion
place of formation: created based on the 79th paratrooper brigade, volunteer territorial defense battalion
sponsor:
commander:
heavy weapons: self-propelled howitzer 2S1 "Gvozdika"
-----------------------------------------
"Kherson" battalion of the Ministry of Interior
place of formation: Kherson
sponsor:
commander: Ruslan Storchius (Ruslan Storcheus) (killed 2014.08.25)
-----------------------------------------
"Holodnyi Yar" unit
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander Eugene Wojciechowski (killed 2014.07.07)
-----------------------------------------
"Black Hundred" unit?
place of formation:
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
"Chernigov" battalion

place of formation:
sponsor: Kolomoysky
Commander: Colonel Radievsky (killed 2014.07.21)
-----------------------------------------
"Shahtersk" battalion
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander Andrew FILONENKO
name lists:
1) Anatoly Kurochka
killed 2014.08.19
platoon commander
unit:
"Jesus Christ" company. Destroyed 2014.08.18
-----------------------------------------
"Storm", unit?
place of formation: Odessa
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
Battalion number 39
place of formation:
sponsor:
commander:
-----------------------------------------
Battalion number 43
place of formation: Dnepropetrovsk
sponsor: Igor Kolomoisky
commander:
-----------------------------------------
Battalion number ???? Kirovograd battalion of the National Guard
place of formation:
sponsor:
Commander: Colonel Snitsar (killed 2014.07.23)
-----------------------------------------


Because the “last” battalion mentioned in the media is already №43, I ask you to help us collect information about the missing ones. Depending on the information collected, article will be updated.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
(in Russian) - link (if you have updates, post it here or on the link, it will help the author to make this database more complete, I confess this is the first time I hear some of these battalions, the NGU has spawned more than 40 of them already).
 

delft

Brigadier
I'm now listening to news from my favorite radio station. They are talking about the fact that Malaysian and Australian investigators are on their way to the MH17 crash site, while the Dutch government think it is still "too dangerous", while the Dutch are nominally the leaders of the investigation. Malaysia says there is reason to hurry, because in six weeks time there might be snow on the ground.
You all know my suspicion - Kiev hopes for early snow that will cover the evidence of the crime until next year and the Dutch government cooperates.
 

delft

Brigadier
The radio station just said that there is no permission to go to the crash site, for none of the investigators - that means Kiev doesn't give permission. So will Malaysia show the well known finger and go the other way?
 

Dannhill

Junior Member
Kiev has totally no control over the crash site now as I think even their artillery has been pushed out of range.

You noticed Malaysia didn't say anything about getting permission from the separatists is a good sign they already have that. Asking Kiev is just simply respect and formality. The haste of the Malaysians in making very public statements to the press without a joint announcement with Holland and Australia speaks volume to me, if not to you, that Malaysia seems pissed with them.
Were there some truth in an earlier report that Kiev, Belgium, Holland and Australia had some kind of secret pact that the report cannot be made public without the approval of any of these 4 signatories? And Malaysia was excluded.

Honestly, I don't mind if the evidence pointed to Putin himself pressing the button as long as the truth is known and the families have some form of closure. But at least the really guilty party should be made known to the world.


The radio station just said that there is no permission to go to the crash site, for none of the investigators - that means Kiev doesn't give permission. So will Malaysia show the well known finger and go the other way?
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
RAW: Abandoned tanks, buildings burned in wake of Ukraine army retreat
[video=youtube;AogBLl2ukdk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogBLl2ukdk&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Ukraine: First look at Petrovskoye's decimation after Kiev's retreat
[video=youtube;t_CJEJnGH74]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_CJEJnGH74&feature=player_embedded[/video]



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top