Could non-chinese join PLA?

siegecrossbow said:

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Russian engineers in China is an open secret. I am not downplaying China's R&D capabilities but they were necessary to help China bridge the generation gap in aircraft development.

The engineers at Chengdu genuinely wanted to make the J-10. However many members of the military were not optimistic about it. Much of the funding went to the big brother, the SAC and during much of the 80s the CAC had to sell bikes and refrigerators to stay afloat.

There were plenty of R&D projects that China launched that ended in failure. The J-12 is one of the best examples. The J-9 didn't even make past the model phase while the J-8 almost died due to the Cultural Revolution.

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If those engineers are not just rumors but indeed true, why wouldn't the Russian government pull them out? Aren't they are currently alarmed by the latest Chinese aircraft development? and even said that China stole Russian technology??

Or are those civilian people hired by China's R&D?

Of course due to lack of funding many projects did fail.. But with the current funding I think China can allocate more to R&D.

Since China is open to hiring foreigners, why don't they also hire European or American experts to help them in their R & D in other technologies, not just for military purposes?

Delbert said:

If those engineers are not just rumors but indeed true, why wouldn't the Russian government pull them out? Aren't they are currently alarmed by the latest Chinese aircraft development? and even said that China stole Russian technology??

Or are those civilian people hired by China's R&D?

Of course due to lack of funding many projects did fail.. But with the current funding I think China can allocate more to R&D.

Since China is open to hiring foreigners, why don't they also hire European or American experts to help them in their R & D in other technologies, not just for military purposes?

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Man you need to take historical conditions into consideration as well as read my post more thoroughly. Let us review, shall we?

What happened in the early 1990s? Collapse of the Soviet Union! The Russian economy was in absolute shambles afterwards. Many of Russian physicists/Engineers went to the United States, Europe, and in some cases China due to the Russian Federation's inability to support them any longer. Russia was willing to sell her top fighters, the Su-27 and Su-30s due to the desperation of the situation. They could give less of a damn about military secrecy back then. Even now Russian experts get paid better in China than they do in Russia. As for why the Russians won't pull them out... the answer is obvious - economical reasons. Besides many of those people stayed for so long in China that they have Chinese citizenships and their children grew up speaking mandarin Chinese. China is their home now.

I already told you why less money were allocated to R&D during the late 80s and early 90s. The first reason is Deng's policy, which favoured economical development over rapid military modernization. Second of all the Chinese military became skeptical of indigenous weapons after the Gulf War and instead wanted to spend the funds on acquiring advanced arms from the Russian Federation. They believed, at the time, that it was better spending most of the money buying assembled Su-27 than risk developing another potential failure.

If the Europeans and the Americans didn't have an arms embargo against China then China will definitely hire U.S./European engineers. As a matter of fact there were plenty of cooperation between the CAC and Northrop Grumman on the Super 7 project prior to the Tiananmen Square incident, as I stated in past threads.

Not sure if it's been brought up before, but to join the PLA you must join the chinese communist party first.

So, gain legal residency in the PRC--->obtain citizenship--->join communist party---> join PLA.

Igor said:

Not sure if it's been brought up before, but to join the PLA you must join the chinese communist party first.

So, gain legal residency in the PRC--->join communist party---> join PLA.

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You surely never read any official Baguwen talking about “火线入党” Joint the Party during frontline service kind of storeies.

CCP "Leads" PLA that's for sure, but it's common mistake to think PLA are all CCPs.

I always thought it was a requirement.

Not sure if it's been brought up before, but to join the PLA you must join the chinese communist party first.

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Do you mean to say all 2 million members of the PLA are members of the Party? That doesn't sound right.

@Igor
No, it's not a requirement. Though PLA membership does put you on a "fast track" to to join the party, particularly if you stay as NCOs; otherwise to join the party you need to demonstrate "leadership" during your youth league days, probably a good and loyal student in college or earn a bunch of model worker awards (which probably means you're either in a state owned company or government service. Since the party really doesn't care about how hard you work for Foxconn).

luhai said:

@Igor
No, it's not a requirement. Though PLA membership does put you on a "fast track" to to join the party, particularly if you stay as NCOs; otherwise to join the party you need to demonstrate "leadership" during your youth league days, probably a good and loyal student in college or earn a bunch of model worker awards (which probably means you're either in a state owned company or government service. Since the party really doesn't care about how hard you work for Foxconn).

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OT, but the Party does very much want to be present at Foxconn and all large enterprises generally. I think this is one reason for the expansion of the labor unions into foreign funded workplaces.

Red Moon said:

OT, but the Party does very much want to be present at Foxconn and all large enterprises generally. I think this is one reason for the expansion of the labor unions into foreign funded workplaces.

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Yes, that's right, although I didn't get what's "Foxconn".

Enterprises, no matter state owned or not, it is good to establish some CPC branch within, so that

1. The CPC acts as labors' union nevertheless (not saying they did a good union's job, insight to No. 2)

2. The CPC branch in any entity (here, the CPC branch in an enterprise), acts as an conduit of national / party policy. For example, for this reason, CPC labor union won't encourage you to go for a strike, for the bigger picture of "national stability". ( - which I agree with)

3. The CPC suppose to representing the good part of the labors, and enterprises are where labors masses. Lets's say if you don't set up a church where people gatering (namly, town) in a TYPICAL western society, it dose not makes sense; CPC acts the same to "make itself available" as easy as possible, by, setting up branches at enterprises.

OT though, don't worry, joining PLA is not forcing you (you, generally the second person, not specific) joining CPC.

Foxconn is a Taiwanese company that operates somewhat like the Singapore Flextronix... kind of high-end contract manufacturing. They produce iphones, for example, and have factories in China and throughout SE Asia as well. They are famous for suicides, and so they're in the news.

I understand the other stuff, but most other people won't!