Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

vesicles

vesicles

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Gatekeeper said:
And now OZ is outrage. Lol

From the mail.

WHO whitewash: Investigators back China's claim that AUSTRALIAN BEEF could have caused Covid-19 - and demand there be 'no further study' of theory that it came from a Wuhan lab

World Health Organisation scientists have given credibility to Beijing's claim that the Covid-19 pandemic may have started outside China and been brought into Wuhan via frozen food imports.

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I personally believe that the theory of the frozen food transmission should be studied further. If you worry about door handles and elevator buttons being sites where viruses can be transferred from one person to the next, you should worry about frozen food packages for the same reasons. They are all items that are heavily touched by many different people. The only difference is that door handles and elevator buttons are located at room temperature, at which coronaviruses can survive only for a few hours. Frozen food packages are constantly kept at super low temps, where these viruses can comfortably live for up to 2 years. Keep in mind that these viruses LOVE cold temps. If you worry about door handles, you should be more worried about those frozen food packages.

I keep hearing people talking about low probability. Yes, in a lab setting where any experiment is repeated 3-5 times, a 1/1000 probability means that you will never detect it. In the real world, on the other hand, the same 1/1000 probability means that it WILL happen without any doubt because you have millions/billions of people who do the same thing day in and day out. And for viral transmission, all it takes is a 1/100,000 event that will completely change everything. How often does a virus acquire the capability to jump from a bat to a human? How often does a virus acquire the capability to jump from human to human? Any of these events is 1/100,000 or 1/100,000,000, or even much less probable. Yet, all of them happened to a single virus in a short period of time last year. So when it comes to anything that has anything to do with the general public, low probability doesn't really mean anything.
 
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KYli

Brigadier
localizer said:
It's not that there's so many coming out of UK, it's more the rest of the world isn't sequencing enough to identify new variants.
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The previous UK variant could become the predominant variant in many countries within a month so better at sequencing isn't the sole reason.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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The US is so full of... I'm always reading how China is failing to help the world when the US hasn't helped anyone but their own allies and that's iffy too. Then you have the spin of how because China is sending its vaccines around the world, it's failing at home because China isn't at the pace of Western countries vaccinating its own population and then they spin that as China has distribution problems spinning that as vaccine production problems. They accuse there's vaccine nationalism when what's more important for them is making it look like the US beat China.
 
vesicles

vesicles

Colonel
In addition to the absolutely crazy conspiracy that the virus has somehow been manipulated in a lab, some people also speculate that a natural virus is somehow accidentally leaked to the public from a lab. Although it sounds more reasonable than the bioweapon conspiracy, this is flat out impossible in reality. Based on a series of "events" described by the conspiracy theorists, this particular virus was collected by biologists in a cave somewhere in Yunnan and stored in the P4 lab in Wuhan. Well, if this is true, then this virus would be the original bat virus that has never seen a human in their lives. Then some lab staff accidentally carried the virus to a nearby market someday at the end of 2019. Once leaked and once they actually see human for the first time in their lives, these talented viruses only spend a few minutes/hours to learn how to survive on human? Then they spend no time at all to learn how to jump from one human to another human? These steps involve a series of mutations that typically take years, decades and maybe centuries to accomplish. Yet, this particular one, SARS-CoV2, managed to do all of this in an afternoon??? If the virus is accidentally leaked to the public, we will see a pure bat virus, not a virus that can transmit from human to human. It is apparent to everyone that SARS-CoV2 has been in the public and co-existed with human for a long time.
 
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emblem21

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AssassinsMace said:
The US is so full of... I'm always reading how China is failing to help the world when the US hasn't helped anyone but their own allies and that's iffy too. Then you have the spin of how because China is sending its vaccines around the world, it's failing at home because China isn't at the pace of Western countries vaccinating its own population and then they spin that as China has distribution problems spinning that as vaccine production problems. They accuse there's vaccine nationalism when what's more important for them is making it look like the US beat China.
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I am going to watch this evil empire die in the most painful fashion possible. There hypocrisy is getting a bit much given that the only reason why they haven’t been been given the figurative cane for lying is because of there so called power but once that is removed in the near future then the USA is in deep shit and they know it
 
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AndrewS

Brigadier
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emblem21 said:
I am going to watch this evil empire die in the most painful fashion possible. There hypocrisy is getting a bit much given that the only reason why they haven’t been been given the figurative cane for lying is because of there so called power but once that is removed in the near future then the USA is in deep shit and they know it
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That is not appropriate.

Plus I think the most likely scenario for the USA is a slow fadeaway like we saw with the UK
 
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reservior dogs

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AndrewS said:
That is not appropriate.

Plus I think the most likely scenario for the USA is a slow fadeaway like we saw with the UK
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I agree, but there will be defining moments when you can clearly see the transition of power. I think the world is close to witnessing such an event in the next few years. Mind you, the Chinese are not in a hurry to take center stage, but given the internal strives that afflict this nation, we may see a few surprises along the way. Just think back how powerful and omnipotent the U.S. was back in the nineties. How far we have fallen in 30 short years.
 
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AndrewS

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reservior dogs said:
I agree, but there will be defining moments when you can clearly see the transition of power. I think the world is close to witnessing such an event in the next few years. Mind you, the Chinese are not in a hurry to take center stage, but given the internal strives that afflict this nation, we may see a few surprises along the way. Just think back how powerful and omnipotent the U.S. was back in the nineties. How far we have fallen in 30 short years.
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When historians write, I think 2020 will be seen as such a watershed year eg.

The US floundering with COVID, whilst China is one of the very few countries which effectively managed to control COVID
The failure of the US trade and technology war against China
The internal divisions in the USA being seen by all, with Trump nearly being re-elected, and then fomenting a coup/insurrection against Congress.
 
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