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From 0 to 24:00 on February 10, 31 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities directly under the Central Government) and Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 2 new confirmed cases, all imported cases (1 in Fujian and 1 in Guangdong); no new deaths ; 1 new suspected case is an imported case (in Shanghai).

Good way to kick off new years celebrations
 

getready

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While we can push back on the politicizing of the virus, deep down in my gut I think the real battle lies in disproving scientists' claims that rock solid genetic evidence all points to China as the source of the virus I'm not sure as to whether WHO addressed that question and until they do, that is going to be the basis of the counter to WHO's current announcement.

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I think who team were discussing The origin being from South East Asia as a possibility
 

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China scores a public relations win after WHO mission to Wuhan​

For months, China resisted allowing World Health Organisation experts into the country to trace the origins of the global pandemic, concerned that such an inquiry could draw attention to the government’s early missteps in handling the outbreak.​


After a global uproar, the Chinese government finally relented, allowing a team of 14 scientists to visit laboratories, disease-control centres and live-animal markets over the past 12 days in the city of Wuhan.

But instead of scorn, the WHO experts on Tuesday delivered praise for Chinese officials and endorsed critical parts of their narrative, including some that have been contentious.

The WHO team opened the door to a theory embraced by Chinese officials, saying it was possible the virus might have spread to humans through shipments of frozen food, an idea that has gained little traction with scientists outside China. And the experts pledged to investigate reports that the virus might have been present outside China months before the outbreak in Wuhan in late 2019, a long-standing demand of Chinese officials.

“We should really go and search for evidence of earlier circulation wherever that is,” Marion Koopmans, a Dutch virus expert on the WHO team, said at a three-hour news conference in Wuhan, where the experts presented their preliminary findings alongside Chinese scientists.

Some scientists worry that shifting attention to other countries could cause the investigation to lose its focus. Determining what happened in the early days of the outbreak in China is considered critical to avoiding another pandemic.

The team also played down the idea that the virus might have leaked accidentally from a Chinese-run laboratory, a notion that even some skeptical scientists say is worth exploring. This theory is different from a widely discredited one pushed by some Republicans in the United States, which claimed that a lab in China manufactured the virus for use as a bioweapon.

The WHO, by design, is beholden to its member countries and has long struck a diplomatic tone in dealing with the Chinese government, which is notoriously resistant to outside scrutiny. The inquiry is still in its earliest stages — it could take years — and WHO officials have promised a rigorous and transparent examination of data and research by China and other countries.

Still, the findings announced Tuesday gave Beijing a public relations win as it comes under attack from officials in the United States and elsewhere for its initial efforts to conceal the outbreak.

“This is the most authoritative support that China has received in terms of its official narrative,” said Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations.
Huang said the WHO should continue to press China for data and access.

“One visit is not enough time to do a thorough investigation,” he said. “They’re doing all the work within the parameters set by the Chinese government.”

The team did not report major breakthroughs but said it had found important clues. The virus was circulating in Wuhan several weeks before it appeared at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, where some of the earliest clusters were initially reported, the experts said. It most likely emerged in bats and spread to humans through another small mammal, though the experts said they have not been able to identify the species.

“All the work that has been done on the virus and trying to identify its origin continue to point toward a natural reservoir,” Peter K Ben Embarek, a food safety scientist with the WHO who is leading the team of experts, said at the news conference.

Ben Embarek said it was “extremely unlikely” that the virus might have emerged from a laboratory studying bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.
The team last week met with leaders of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which houses a state-of-the-art laboratory, and Ben Embarek said that “it was very unlikely that anything could escape from such a place,” citing safety protocols there.

The WHO experts tried to focus their remarks Tuesday on the scientific aspects of the mission. But the inquiry has often been overshadowed by politics.

Some officials in the United States and other Western countries have cast doubt on the independence of the WHO investigation, arguing that China is seeking to control the outcome. The government repeatedly delayed the visit by WHO experts and sought to limit the scope of their mission. And authorities are firmly in control of research related to the virus in China, raising concerns that they might seek to prevent the release of embarrassing information.

The Chinese government has tried to shift the focus elsewhere, continuing to suggest that the virus may have originated overseas. The Chinese ambassador to the United States, Cui Tiankai, recently suggested that the United States should allow the WHO to send investigators there as part of its inquiry.

Chinese officials heavily promoted the idea that the virus came from abroad at the news conference Tuesday, arguing that the search for the origin of the virus should focus on places outside China.

The investigation will “not be restricted to any location,” said Liang Wannian, who led the team of Chinese scientists assisting in the WHO mission. He said that Chinese researchers had found no evidence that the virus was circulating in China on a wide scale before December 2019.

In Washington, Ned Price, a State Department spokesman, said at a regular news conference that the United States would wait to see the WHO’s report before drawing conclusions about its findings and how transparent Beijing had been with the investigators.

During their visit to Wuhan, the WHO team members said they were trying to steer clear of politics and promised to ask tough questions. While in Wuhan, where they submitted to two weeks of quarantine before beginning field work, they granted interviews to the news media and were photographed getting tested for the coronavirus. They turned to social media to bring more transparency to the visit, posting photos and comments about their talks with Chinese scientists.

The experts repeatedly praised their Chinese counterparts, saying the government had worked in good faith to grant access to important sites, including laboratories and markets. At the news conference Tuesday, the experts were cordial and did not challenge statements by their Chinese hosts.

The team will face pressure in coming months to not only resolve tricky scientific questions but to demonstrate that they are carrying out a fair-minded and tough investigation.

“China’s strategic narrative now is, ‘This has been the China part of the investigation, and we’ve done it, and let’s move on,”’ said Daniel R Lucey, an infectious-disease specialist at Georgetown University.

Lucey said the experts would need to produce a breakthrough in order to demonstrate credibility.

“If the team doesn’t come up with something of substance,” he added, “there’s also the risk of people saying this was all just a show.”


And now OZ is outrage. Lol

From the mail.

WHO whitewash: Investigators back China's claim that AUSTRALIAN BEEF could have caused Covid-19 - and demand there be 'no further study' of theory that it came from a Wuhan lab

World Health Organisation scientists have given credibility to Beijing's claim that the Covid-19 pandemic may have started outside China and been brought into Wuhan via frozen food imports.

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Skye_ZTZ_113

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Why there are so many new variants coming out of UK.
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Well the UK is like a giant petri dish for Coronavirus and has been for many months, giving ample time & room for completely random mutations to develop. We were behind only the US in total deaths for a long time and are still number 5 on the list. Death rate per capita was the highest in the world as of 17th Jan
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. I believe it's gone down now, but still grim.

It would be a miracle if there weren't many new variants coming out.

And yet, I get the impression that people are already feeling lax about the situation with the vaccination rate going up.
 
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