Noone is talking about its effectiveness, rather its safety. The 100% effectiveness for serious cases is also already achievable by even sinovac with way less adverse effects on the users.
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Not talking about mutations, i’m talking about manufacturing defects
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
This poster is really biased. If someone read your spin, they'd think Chinese tech was 1980's level and falling behind and that its economic recovery was worse than America's when actually, Chinese tech is growing the fastest in the world, at the forefront in most fields, leading the world in some and its economy is the only major economy to grow this year.
It's not that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are unusable; it's that they were rushed and barely the lesser of two evils when compared to COVID and far worse than their Chinese counterparts. It's still the best that the West has and they have no choice but to use it or lower their heads and ask for China's vaccines but everybody knows they don't care about their citizens' lives enough to drop their ego. It's interesting that you had to search for a tweet to find comfort when the actual news weren't saying what you wanted to hear, but even in the most biased and and favorable tweet you could find, the doctor had to include the word, "essentially" which means that it's still not as good as China's vaccines which prevented all cases of moderate to serious disease (Brazil trial), no exceptions. Anyone with a gram of honesty and integrity couldn't spin America's vaccines to be equal to China's.
You really got to wonder how does someone like him hates a country so much? Just what makes thus people tick?
Here he is only 5 days ago doing another hatchet job on Xinjian. Noticed he used false images (proven) and drives around as if he was harassed to the British general public.
There is really nothing to report. It is no different to me driving outside a prison gate in the U.K., and got refused entry, made a fuzz. then they called to police to remove me, and I claim police state power. Blah blah.
"China’s pressure and propaganda - the reality of reporting Xinjiang"
By John SudworthBBC News, Beijing
15 January 2021 China
In addition to the heavy restrictions it places on foreign journalists trying to report the truth about its far western region of Xinjiang, China has a new tactic: labelling independent coverage as "fake news".
At night, while travelling for hours along Xinjiang's desert highways, the unmarked cars that had been following us from the moment we arrived would tailgate us at speed, driving dangerously close with their headlights on full beam.
Their occupants - who never identified themselves - forced us to leave one city by chasing us out of restaurants and shops, ordering the owners not to serve us.
The report we produced, despite these difficulties, contained new evidence - much of it based on China's own policy documents - that thousands of Uighurs and other minorities are being forced to pick cotton in a region responsible for a fifth of the world's crop.
Rest of the trash article:
I don't know how true this is. Or is just someone being anti-vaccines. But here it is. Someone has posted this about someone's mother on our whats app group after taking the Pfizer vaccines.
I'm curious about this as well.
In addition to manufacturing defects, I wonder what happens when the low temperature storage requirements are violated. The mRNA vaccines may very well be perfectly safe under ideal and strict testing conditions. However, in real world usage, it is inevitable that there will be times when these conditions are not met.
E.g., if the Pfizer vaccine were exposed to temperatures above -70C for some period of time, would it simply lose efficacy or is there any danger of degradations/changes that can lead to wrong types of proteins being produced? Given the rushed testing timeline, I suspect this might not have been sufficiently tested if it were tested at all.
The manufacturing/QC process for nucleic acid synthesis is pretty mature makes it hard to generate significant amount of defects
Things like prions would require specific sequences to make. Even if a protein is self templating or aggregating it is rarely deleterious
The good thing here is that the mRNA is shortlived and any problems should be temporary.
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Each dose of the vaccine contains millions, if not billions of mRNA strands. Even a 0.1% defect rate would mean significant number of wrongly encoded mRNA that can generate unknown effects on your cells.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Some personal experience has highlighted another possible overlooked area when looking at Covid statistics, which is the persistent issue of false negative test results.
A colleague’s relative is extremely poorly with all the symptoms of Covid, but has returned 3 negative PCR tests.
While that might, on the face of it, look like pretty convincing evidence she does have Covid, if the figure in the below article is correct, that means there is potentially up to a 12.5% chance for someone with Covid to return three negative test results! Hardly an insignificant percentage or number of likely real-life examples.
A colleague’s relative is extremely poorly with all the symptoms of Covid, but has returned 3 negative PCR tests.
While that might, on the face of it, look like pretty convincing evidence she does have Covid, if the figure in the below article is correct, that means there is potentially up to a 12.5% chance for someone with Covid to return three negative test results! Hardly an insignificant percentage or number of likely real-life examples.