Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[j17wang]

I'm fine with helping people, it's just figuring out who deserves help or not.

The amount of HK FLG TW Indian propaganda farms is staggering and disproportionate to their actual demographics. I'm willing to bet half the hate comment are from these groups

We should not cloud our judgement of individuals involved in our lives simply because of a sophisticated propaganda campaign.

The average colonist does not need, nor deserve your help. Agree the amount of propaganda farms is disproportionate to actual demographics, but the dangers faced by Chinese people across North America is very real. Always err on the side of caution, and like as Pompeo himself said, "distrust, and verify" when it comes to the colonist.

 

[emblem21]

Just remember these are the same people that admitted "we cheated, we lied, we stole". If you live in North America, you are under no obligation to help colonists who live by you, your more a citizen than any of them would ever be (since statistically you are more likely to have taken a citizenship test). I've stopped donating blood and I've certainly cut back on volunteering at local charities. These are not the type of people you help.

Sadly enough all this proves is how evil the west is and how much they deserve to suffer for continuing this double standard. I guess the next couple of months are going to be hell for these ‘heroes’ as people call them. I mean they look down on China when China is going through hell and now they praise there own for doing the exact same if not lesser. It is a pity that not more of these media types is suffering from these events as they should as they seem to enjoy spit on those that are going though hell

 

[localizer]

The average colonist does not need, nor deserve your help. Agree the amount of propaganda farms is disproportionate to actual demographics, but the dangers faced by Chinese people across North America is very real. Always err on the side of caution, and like as Pompeo himself said, "distrust, and verify" when it comes to the colonist.

Sadly enough all this proves is how evil the west is and how much they deserve to suffer for continuing this double standard. I guess the next couple of months are going to be hell for these ‘heroes’ as people call them. I mean they look down on China when China is going through hell and now they praise there own for doing the exact same if not lesser. It is a pity that not more of these media types is suffering from these events as they should as they seem to enjoy spit on those that are going though hell

I guess even if you help, they won't appreciate it.

It's like the Chinese canadians who donated masks then got sued for donating KN95 instead of N95.

 

[j17wang]

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[localizer]

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The problem, according to Kennedy: If someone who has had only a single dose is exposed to the virus, their immune system might not be able to kill it off. That could allow the virus to develop a response to the limited immunity provided by that one dose.

"In imperfect vaccines, that's where we see resistance pop-up," Kennedy said. "The more individuals who have one dose of these vaccines, the more concerned I would be."

Missing the 2nd dose of a vaccine could be like prematurely skipping your antibiotics. Potentially very dangerous outcomes.

 

[localizer]

Then you got your know-it-all politician suggesting shit he knows nothing about:

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@Gatekeeper

 

[lgnxz]

With 300,000+ deaths and increasing by 2,000+ a day, NYT has the audacity to criticize China? China will be the only major economy that will have positive growth in 2020 and they think China will pay a painful cost? Refusing to lock down the economy so wall street gains at the cost of main street is NYT's notion of livelihoods and liberties.

In other news, the results of Sinovac trial in Brazil will be delayed another 15 days or so. However:

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They should have released results today. Everybody was expecting them too. Even it efficacy was not the greatest, people will naturally assume the worst after 3 delays, all people know right now is that efficacy is +50%, which is a joke of a statement.

What's stupid of it if it's true is that the delay now comes from Sinovac's request, what the hell are they doing? And here I first thought it's another bolsonaro's trick to delay the vaccine, but no it's from our own side?? Just like j17wang said 50%+ doesn't mean anything since we all expect that to happen, announce a better cutout like 80%+ or 90%+ if you want to withheld so info, like seriously. All these chinese vaccine companies (the other being sinopharm) have no idea how to do PR for their products given their response, or lack thereof, to the interim results that have been released from other countries that they tested on, which sadly just propagate the common prejudice about how the government being so secretive and hiding stuffs.

 

[plawolf]

You guys complaining about Chinese vaccine companies taking their time are forgetting two critically factors.

Firstly and most importantly, China didn’t fuck up it’s pandemic response like the west, that means there isn’t nearly as much political pressure to rush vaccine development; nor would Chinese regulators cave into pressure to make ridiculous exemptions and waivers just to get the vaccine approved faster.

Secondly, you guys seems to be forgetting that everything Chinese is held to a far higher, almost godly standard by the west. That means any and all flaws or ambiguity will be dug out and magnified to the nth degree.

There have been so many examples of blatant double standards and rank hypocrisy from the western MSM and governments that no one can expect Chinese vaccines to get fair treatment.

That is why it is critically important that Chinese companies do things by the book as much as possible and make sure they dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s.

The west already got their results out first, so there is nothing to be gained from rushing now. Indeed, that is the worst thing Chinese vaccine companies can do, as you can bet the western MSM are desperate for any evidence to claim that Chinese vaccines are cutting corners.

The best thing that Chinese vaccine companies can do is keep doing the real hard work, and get their results out in the most rigorous and thorough way possible, and expose just how rushed western vaccine development was just to claim ‘first’.

 

[lgnxz]

That is why it is critically important that Chinese companies do things by the book as much as possible and make sure they dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s.

Well that's good, and this can be a good narrative as well (we take this stuff more thoroughly at the small cost of speed), they can easily use this as a talking point, but they fail to utilize this. For example, instead of setting a difficult early deadline (say by november 2020) and having to delay it again and again, you can just set a way longer deadline (say early-mid 2021) in the first place and *then* announce a quicker surprise announcement of the vaccine progress, or just be punctual. It won't raise any doubt/suspicion either since development of traditional inoculated vaccines are expected to be longer but rich of proven track records, another talking point that you can use to explain to the general public to be more patient. Two different routes, but at the end of the day the announcement time of its readiness is the same, early 2021. Which one has a better public perception between those scenarios? These kind of things are what PR study is all about, and there are many easy things like that that can be improved upon from those companies..

 

[plawolf]

Well that's good, and this can be a good narrative as well (we take this stuff more thoroughly at the small cost of speed), they can easily use this as a talking point, but they fail to utilize this. For example, instead of setting a difficult early deadline (say by november 2020) and having to delay it again and again, you can just set a way longer deadline (say early-mid 2021) in the first place and *then* announce a quicker surprise announcement of the vaccine progress, or just be punctual. It won't raise any doubt/suspicion either since development of traditional inoculated vaccines are expected to be longer but rich of proven track records, another talking point that you can use to explain to the general public to be more patient. Two different routes, but at the end of the day the announcement time of its readiness is the same, early 2021. Which one has a better public perception between those scenarios? These kind of things are what PR study is all about, and there are many easy things like that that can be improved upon from those companies..

I think you are not factoring in the international co-operation element. Because of how well China has eradicated the virus on Chinese soil, they are forced to partner with nations with out of control outbreaks to get useable field results of how their vaccine works out in the wild against the virus. Those partner countries are desperate to get the vaccine approved and deployed ASAP, and I think that is the source of the mixed signals you are mentioning which we have observed.

Indeed, there has already been one explicit case of a Chinese companies being forced to ‘clarify’ overly optimistic announcements by trial partners.

So I think a lot of the noise about early results are a combination of partners trying to pressure Chinese into making public results earlier than the Chinese would like.