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localizer

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I hear from my Malay Chinese friends that they having issues there cuz supposed "pork products" in the vaccines.
Muslim/Jew and most vaccines don't pair very well.



I think Chinese companies are delaying results for more cases so they can get more accurate effectiveness rate.

The turkish trial only got 40 infected so far.
 
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AssassinsMace

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They posting this shit all over the US


Obviously from some group like Falun Gong. You can get a hint who's it from by the language used and what they argue. Calling someone a demon is an Asian thing. Americans would say Chicoms not CCP or Chinese Communist Party and they wouldn't spend the money because how would they end the Chinese Communist Party? They would have to go to war. Americans want others to do the dirty work. They wouldn't be petitioning for Americans to "end the Chinese Communist Party". So arguing for Americans to do it is a group that isn't American.
 

localizer

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Obviously from some group like Falun Gong. You can get a hint who's it from by the language used and what they argue. Calling someone a demon is an Asian thing. Americans would say Chicoms not CCP or Chinese Communist Party and they wouldn't spend the money because how would they end the Chinese Communist Party? They would have to go to war. Americans want others to do the dirty work. They wouldn't be petitioning for Americans to "end the Chinese Communist Party". So arguing for Americans to do it is a group that isn't American.

Sad part is FLG does everything it can to pretend their white. On their sites and all these ads they remove all things that point towards the writers/creators being Chinese. So they use white writers/pictures/anchors/names/board members/... We know it's FLG, but the average American thinks Epoch times and stuff are like Fox News.

Do self-hating CHinese really think they have much of a place in this world if China gets disintegrated?
 

KYli

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As I mentioned before, both Sinopharm and Sinovac are waiting for approval from China. Sinopharm data has been accepted by the Chinese government for examination after 1 month. It means the Chinese health agency wanted more than just interim results but the full consolidated results before granting the initial approval. That's why both Sinopharm and Sinovac were reluctant to release more detailed data. But Turkey interim result should alleviate the public concern about transparency.

Top Muslim councils have granted the go ahead of injecting vaccines with pork gelatin but not sure if it is good enough for muslims.

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The majority consensus from past debates over pork gelatin use in vaccines is that it is permissible under Islamic law, as “greater harm” would occur if the vaccines weren’t used, said Dr. Harunor Rashid, an associate professor at the University of Sydney.

There's a similar assessment by a broad consensus of religious leaders in the Orthodox Jewish community as well.

“According to the Jewish law, the prohibition on eating pork or using pork is only forbidden when it’s a natural way of eating it,” said Rabbi David Stav, chairman of Tzohar, a rabbinical organization in Israel.


If “it’s injected into the body, not (eaten) through the mouth," then there is “no prohibition and no problem, especially when we are concerned about sicknesses,” he said.

Yet there have been dissenting opinions on the issue — some with serious health consequences for Indonesia, which has the world's largest Muslim population, some 225 million.

In 2018, the Indonesian Ulema Council, the Muslim clerical body that issues certifications that a product is halal, or permissible under Islamic law, decreed that the measles and rubella vaccines were “haram,” or unlawful, because of the gelatin. Religious and community leaders began to urge parents to not allow their children to be vaccinated.

“Measles cases subsequently spiked, giving Indonesia the third-highest rate of measles in the world,” said Rachel Howard, director of the health care market research group Research Partnership.

A decree was later issued by the Muslim clerical body saying it was permissible to receive the vaccine, but cultural taboos still led to continued low vaccination rates, Howard said.
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AssassinsMace

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Just like the West only gives attention to their vaccines, they're going to ignore others. That report that said Sinovac is 50%+ efficacy means it can be anywhere from 50% to 100%. Since there's a pro-Trump anti-China President in Brazil where that report came from, they could be intentionally being vague so that Western vaccines stand out. There are Americans that are willing to let Americans die from coronavirus for politics. You think they would have more regard for people around the world for geo-politics?
 

lgnxz

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Those partner countries are desperate to get the vaccine approved and deployed ASAP, and I think that is the source of the mixed signals you are mentioning which we have observed.
See this make zero fuckin sense; why would you allow turkey to announce their result but withheld the result from the brazil's trial and leaving it to an ambiguous 50%+? Timeline wise it also doesn't make sense since the brazil's phase 3 trial started 2 months earlier than turkey in July. Congrats anyway to them, but jeez what's up with the different treatment, the brazilian iirc on survey already has half of the population distrusting the vaccine.
I hear from my Malay Chinese friends that they having issues there cuz supposed "pork products" in the vaccines.
Muslim/Jew and most vaccines don't pair very well.
You shouldn't think about this too much, the MERS vaccine years ago was actually made with substances from pigs yet it's still accepted and used for muslims going to saudi for hajj.
 

vincent

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See this make zero fuckin sense; why would you allow turkey to announce their result but withheld the result from the brazil's trial and leaving it to an ambiguous 50%+? Timeline wise it also doesn't make sense since the brazil's phase 3 trial started 2 months earlier than turkey in July. Congrats anyway to them, but jeez what's up with the different treatment, the brazilian iirc on survey already has half of the population distrusting the vaccine.

You shouldn't think about this too much, the MERS vaccine years ago was actually made with substances from pigs yet it's still accepted and used for muslims going to saudi for hajj.
Turkey is a sovereign country and they don’t have to listen to sinovac
 

lgnxz

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Apparently Brazil decided to wait
If you read the article it's actually sinovac who decided to postpone the announcement in brazil, hence why I question the difference.
Are you suggesting China should send a carrier group to Turkey’s doorstep?
?? again what kind of response is this? Argue in good faith and stop strawmanning me, I never question any country's sovereignty nor do suggest such extreme measure.
 
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