Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Gatekeeper]

What do you guys think of this from U S Senator, Tom Cotton!?

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[mahakala]

This is definitely a institutional failure on part of China. That politicians can overrule doctors on medical issue's. It reminds me of those horror movies where the hero is warning of the impending danger while the local authorities are trying to sweep the danger under the carpet for economic reasons. This is much more than just Wuhan this is what is happening all over China. All local authorities operate more or less the same way. The CDC in China needs more resources and power to act during early stages of a potential outbreak.

And yes the practise of eating exotic animals needs to stop.

China is by no means an exception around the world when it comes to politicians having a bigger say on public health issues than doctors do, certainly where I work in the UK it is ridiculously so (anyone who follows the news of NHS will know).
It is easy to criticize in hindsight, when one ought to remember that at the onset of the outbreak, there were no strong evidence or reliable information available for anyone to make an informed decision on policies that one way or another will have significant effect on people's lives. That is not to say the Wuhan government is faultless, but if this was to happen anywhere else I am not so sure if the response will be much different, if not less decisive.

 

[mahakala]

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A nice short video reminding us that the fastest spreading thing with the 2019-nCOV saga is our social media reaction; sadly more often than not misguided views and unwarranted panic

 

[Rettam Stacf]

As I recall, it was a health authority official that claimed the virus had a low risk of person-to-person transmission, and the Wuhan authorities based their decisions on that information.

Read an article on infection a couple of weeks ago. Want to quote it here but can no longer find it by internet search. It gave two examples on the meaning of "more infectious".

EXAMPLE 1 : If you sit across the table for 5 minutes with some one infected with coronavirus, you are far more likely to catch what he got if he has SARS instead of 2019-nCoV. In this sense, 2019-nCoV has a lower risk of person-to-person transmission than SARS.

EXAMPLE 2 : Because a person with 2019-nCoV often exhibits less serious symptoms (less detectable) in the early phase, and can be ill much longer than one infected with SARS, so the chance of transmission to more people is much higher than SARS. In this sense, 2019-nCoV is more infectious than SARS. This is probably what is happening in China that 2019-nCoV spreads so quickly.

 

[solarz]

Read an article on infection a couple of weeks ago. Want to quote it here but can no longer find it by internet search. It gave two examples on the meaning of "more infectious".

EXAMPLE 1 : If you sit across the table for 5 minutes with some one infected with coronavirus, you are far more likely to catch what he got if he has SARS instead of 2019-nCoV. In this sense, 2019-nCoV has a lower risk of person-to-person transmission than SARS.

EXAMPLE 2 : Because a person with 2019-nCoV often exhibits less serious symptoms (less detectable) in the early phase, and can be ill much longer than one infected with SARS, so the chance of transmission to more people is much higher than SARS. In this sense, 2019-nCoV is more infectious than SARS. This is probably what is happening in China that 2019-nCoV spreads so quickly.

Yes, also consider the fact that it has been more than 2 weeks since the first North American novel coronavirus case appeared, and so far all the new cases have been either people who had been to Wuhan, or family members of those who had been there.

If the 2019-nCoV was so contagious, why didn't planeloads of people get infected?

The statistics of 2019-nCoV have been dramatically skewed by Wuhan, the epicentre. Once you remove Hubei from the stats, you will see a much more benign disease.

 

[Rettam Stacf]

China is by no means an exception around the world when it comes to politicians having a bigger say on public health issues than doctors do, certainly where I work in the UK it is ridiculously so (anyone who follows the news of NHS will know).
It is easy to criticize in hindsight, when one ought to remember that at the onset of the outbreak, there were no strong evidence or reliable information available for anyone to make an informed decision on policies that one way or another will have significant effect on people's lives. That is not to say the Wuhan government is faultless, but if this was to happen anywhere else I am not so sure if the response will be much different, if not less decisive.

To put this issue in the proper perspective, most Western medical organization (like WHO) and professionals do fault the local government for suppressing the initial information on the virus, but highly commend the central government for the aggressive actions once it recognized the gravity of the situation.

 

[localizer]

Ultimately people need to be responsible for themselves and learn from this situation. People don't learn until bodies start dropping around them.

Unless you're the type that needs the government to teach you to not use heroin.

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At 4°C, infectious virus persisted for as long as 28 days, and the lowest level of inactivation occurred at 20% RH. Inactivation was more rapid at 20°C than at 4°C at all humidity levels; the viruses persisted for 5 to 28 days, and the slowest inactivation occurred at low RH. Both viruses were inactivated more rapidly at 40°C than at 20°C. The relationship between inactivation and RH was not monotonic, and there was greater survival or a greater protective effect at low RH (20%) and high RH (80%) than at moderate RH (50%).

 

[localizer]

sry couldnt add images when editing


notice its surrogates and not actual SARS CoV

 

[Pika]

I don't know why you still hope that this will spark discontent in China and resulting in chaos and elimination of threat to the western supremacy. REPEAT AFTER ME It won't happened
China survive SAR, Embargo, GLF, CR, Flood, Famine and WWII And epidemic of flu is not going to stop China

Democrazy and free speech is not the answer to China flu epidemic. If anything only strong central government can marshall the state resources to face the epidemic. They can improve epidemic warning system but Revolution just because of Flu look how well is American answer to swine flu epidemic So should we say that the american system is a failure? Ridiculous
The Flu will eventually burn itself down !

You misunderstand me. Not hoping for anything. Just read there were discontent on Chinese social media about this death on a western media outlet.

I'm just here to confirm what I read.

 

[localizer]

Ofc the usual suspects being the liars they've always been saying theres 1.5 mil infected.