Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

vesicles

vesicles

Colonel
KYli said:
If it is not impossible, then it is possible. I think NZ has also had an outbreak that was suspicious of frozen imports. Don't rule out anything. That is science. Trying to dismiss the possibilities because it is extremely unlikely is not science. Remember these same people were dismissive of face masks and asymptomatic transmission a few months ago. Nothing is wrong for being caution. These media need to stop being so bias.
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Any low probability event can become reality when you deal with a large population. It may not happen in a lab when you do an experiment 3 times. However, when you deal with the general public with millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, or billions of people, these "unlikely" events becomes possible. A once-in-a-million event is usually considered as highly highly highly unlikely. However, when you have 1.4 billion population, that's 10,000 people potentially getting it. All you need is one person gets infected from touching the packaging. Then this person goes around and starts to infect his family and neighbors. In a few days, you get an epidemic... Even for a single individual, if you handle a frozen package once in a year, you don't have to worry too much about a highly unlikely event. However, if you handle hundreds of packages every day, in a few months, you will handle a million packages. Then that once-in-a-million event becomes "highly likely" to you. Goldman needs to be more responsible than this. He needs to realize that he's not dealing with lab setting anymore. This is a highly infectious agent loose in the general public. Any "unlikely" event becomes highly likely...
 
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solarz

solarz

Brigadier
vesicles said:
Any low probability event can become reality when you deal with a large population. It may not happen in a lab when you do an experiment 3 times. However, when you deal with the general public with millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, or billions of people, these "unlikely" events becomes possible. A once-in-a-million event is usually considered as highly highly highly unlikely. However, when you have 1.4 billion population, that's 10,000 people potentially getting it. All you need is one person gets infected from touching the packaging. Then this person goes around and starts to infect his family and neighbors. In a few days, you get an epidemic... Even for a single individual, if you handle a frozen package once in a year, you don't have to worry too much about a highly unlikely event. However, if you handle hundreds of packages every day, in a few months, you will handle a million packages. Then that once-in-a-million event becomes "highly likely" to you. Goldman needs to be more responsible than this. He needs to realize that he's not dealing with lab setting anymore. This is a highly infectious agent loose in the general public. Any "unlikely" event becomes highly likely...
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Throughout this entire pandemic, the Western response pattern has been to downplay the risks. First, they said you don't need to wear masks. Then they said the virus will go away in the summer. Then they said the risk of kids getting infected at schools is extremely low.

This isn't science anymore, this is politics.
 
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emblem21

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solarz said:
Throughout this entire pandemic, the Western response pattern has been to downplay the risks. First, they said you don't need to wear masks. Then they said the virus will go away in the summer. Then they said the risk of kids getting infected at schools is extremely low.

This isn't science anymore, this is politics.
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And now that resort to extreme lockdowns that are devastating small businesses (which make up the bull of the economies of many nations) and instead of helping them, the governments do nothing but expect the people to take it. This isn’t going to end well
 
localizer

localizer

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Not sure if this was posted before, but here's to Taiwan trying to discredit Chinese vaccines:
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The Global Times learned from a Chinese medical team and overseas Chinese in Uganda that
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are long-term workers in Uganda and had not been vaccinated. This is a slap on the face of some pro-secessionist media on the island of Taiwan, which are hyping the failure of the Chinese mainland vaccine on these workers.
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plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
solarz said:
Throughout this entire pandemic, the Western response pattern has been to downplay the risks. First, they said you don't need to wear masks. Then they said the virus will go away in the summer. Then they said the risk of kids getting infected at schools is extremely low.

This isn't science anymore, this is politics.
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You hit the nail on the head with this one, and I was just about to make the same point - it is blatantly obvious that western ‘scientific advice’ had been thoroughly tainted by politics, and is thus unreliable, to put it charitably!

Indeed, it looks like western politicians have managed to pervert and weaponise science and twist it to suit their own ends.

Whenever they don’t want to make a politically and/or economically costly move to tackle the virus, their go-to excuse is now that there ‘isn’t scientific evidence’ for it. Same when they want to make a move, they just claim there isn’t scientific evidence against it.

Basically they are demanding the most rigorous standards of scientifically proof when they are being challenged on calls that will blatantly set-back efforts to contain the outbreak, knowing full well that such evidence isn’t readily available and that by the time it can be scientifically proven, it will already be too late to stop them from doing what they want.

In addition to the examples cited by Solarz, the most recent and current example are the plans to allow a free-for-all over Christmas.

Anyone with half a brain cell and see what that will do, but western political leaders hide behind the excuse that it isn’t scientifically proven yet. All so they can’t be accused of ‘cancelling Christmas’.

Imagine what would have happened had Chinese leaders shown such contemptible cowardice about the prospect of cancelling the Chinese New Year when this was first detected.

China has been the only major country to not try to argue or spin science, and use science to guide its responses, which is shockingly why China has been the only country to have been able to stop a full blown outbreak in its tracks
 
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