Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

hashtagpls

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Guess the western hubris is going strong like always. Well when people rush things out without properly testing everything, well stupid people win stupid prizes.
The stupidest thing about the Australian vaccine was that they were using HIV parts as part of their vaccine; how the holy hell that got past planning stage, i have no idea.
Having said that, i should stress that the Trial participants were not actually infected with HIV, simply that they gave false positives on HIV tests.
 

vesicles

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The stupidest thing about the Australian vaccine was that they were using HIV parts as part of their vaccine; how the holy hell that got past planning stage, i have no idea.
Having said that, i should stress that the Trial participants were not actually infected with HIV, simply that they gave false positives on HIV tests.

Theoretically, there is nothing wrong with their approach. A major mechanism of viral infection is that the virus uses its "spike proteins" to "fuse" with their host cells. These spike proteins have been a major focus on vaccine development. A problem with these spike proteins is that they are very unstable and tend to change their shapes when produced alone in a vaccine development. That means weaker antibody response. The Australian group decide to use two fragments of a protein found in HIV and use these fragments as clamps to lock the spike proteins in place. This lock allows our body to more effective generate antibodies against these spike proteins, thus more effective vaccines. This approach is sound. Unfortunately, the "molecular clamps" that they chose happen to generate immune responses of their own. Since they are bits and pieces of HIV, they stimulate immune response similar to HIV infection. It's not an HIV infection at all. No! it's not. It's comparable to an allergy. Some dirt or pollen gets into our nose and our body assumes it's harmful and begins to generate immune responses. But in reality, it's not harmful at all. It's only dirt or pollen.

This is exactly what happens when you rush things. Typically, they should be able to consider all these possibilities when they design their vaccines. Because of the time constraints, they unfortunately missed that part... It's a mistake for sure. I just emailed some colleagues of mine at the University of Queensland (they are physicists and chemists, so unrelated to any virus research), and laughed at them hard. And one of them is not amused... I will have to take them out for dinner when I visit them next time... Anyways, it's not as stupid as you think. It's a novel approach and scientifically sound.
 
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SampanViking

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I am not a Doctor, I do not even play one on TV, I do however find this study very interesting.
This is a report produced by the Infectious Diseases Society of America and published in the Oxford University Press's Clinical Infectious Diseases Journal.

They tested nearly 7400 random blood samples taken throughout the US between 13th December 2019 and 17th January 2020 and found 104 positive results. This suggests that Covid 19 was already widespread in the US by early December 2019

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They tested nearly 7400 random blood samples taken throughout the US between 13th December 2019 and 17th January 2020 and found 104 positive results. This suggests that Covid 19 was already widespread in the US by early December 2019
It would be interesting to know which strains they belong to.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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I am not a Doctor, I do not even play one on TV, I do however find this study very interesting.
This is a report produced by the Infectious Diseases Society of America and published in the Oxford University Press's Clinical Infectious Diseases Journal.

They tested nearly 7400 random blood samples taken throughout the US between 13th December 2019 and 17th January 2020 and found 104 positive results. This suggests that Covid 19 was already widespread in the US by early December 2019

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It's looking more and more likely that while Wuhan was where SARS-CoV-2 was first identified, it may not be where the virus evolved.
 

hashtagpls

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It's looking more and more likely that while Wuhan was where SARS-CoV-2 was first identified, it may not be where the virus evolved.
The downstream political effects of the COVID-19 pandemic are even more damning; now that the Anglos have weaponised reporting of pandemics, future governments are going to be reluctant to raise the alarm when they encounter novel pandemic induing viruses...all because a shitbag sexpat in the national security council wanted to pursue a personal vendetta against china (and yes i'm referring to Pottinger).
 

Quickie

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I am not a Doctor, I do not even play one on TV, I do however find this study very interesting.
This is a report produced by the Infectious Diseases Society of America and published in the Oxford University Press's Clinical Infectious Diseases Journal.

They tested nearly 7400 random blood samples taken throughout the US between 13th December 2019 and 17th January 2020 and found 104 positive results. This suggests that Covid 19 was already widespread in the US by early December 2019

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It would be interesting to know which strains they belong to.

104/7400 equal 1.41% of the U.S. population being already infected with the Covid 19 virus about one year ago.

How long does it take to get from Patient Zero to 1.41% of the population? One year?

That could mean a few persons first got infected with an early strain of the Covid-19 virus in the U.S. sometime during Jan 2019.

One year is a very long time. Are we supposed to believe that a coronavirus outbreak was happening in the U.S. since the beginning of 2019 without the U.S CDC knowing?
 
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