Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[ZeEa5KPul]

Another thing that I am seriously worried about. The drug resistant bacteria.

With the wide spread use of antibiotics over the years, we are beginning to see the emergence of the drug resistant bacteria. Virtually every hospital in the world, especially those in the Western nations, harbor huge amount of these super bugs. The only way that they have not spread into the general public is the fact that, well, we are dirty. Our lack of cleanliness keeps a large amount of normal bacteria on us, which effectively outcompete the minor drug-resistant bacteria and kill them off.

Now, we are making a huge effort to keep ourselves clean all the time. All the hand washing, mask wearing and wiping down and disinfecting all surfaces all the time, etc. We are eliminating our only effective defense against the drug-resistant bugs: the normal bacteria. Once we manage to eliminate most of the normal bugs, we are literally helping the drug-resistant bugs survive... All it takes is one of the hospital workers brings one of these little bugs home, and there is no stopping them... That would end mankind...

It's so important that we should end this pandemic as soon as possible. We need to go back to our old dirty, nasty way of living...

People are in their homes most of the time, which means they still get exposed to the normal bacteria there because they're not disinfecting and hand-washing as frequently as they would when they're not at home.

Besides, even the "superbugs" that spore for millions of years can be killed by bleach, so the excess hospital disinfectantion will get them too.

 

[vesicles]

People are in their homes most of the time, which means they still get exposed to the normal bacteria there because they're not disinfecting and hand-washing as frequently as they would when they're not at home.

Besides, even the "superbugs" that spore for millions of years can be killed by bleach, so the excess hospital disinfectantion will get them too.

Well, that's the problem. You can't inject bleach into your body. And you still need to go places. Once the bug gets into you somewhere outside, there is no stopping them.

Just make sure not to take antibiotics unless it is absolutely necessary...

 

[AndrewS]

It looks to me that the federal government might be looking at completely giving up on the prevention part, and move to herd immunity... And as a result, everyone else in the world might be forced to do the same. If the entire US decides to give up and just open everything up and tells everyone to start hugging each other and kissing each other and start partying, can other countries afford to keep Americans out of their countries altogether? Maybe not. Then everyone will have to give up and rely on herd immunity.

Europe and Asia have already cut off the USA, and they will continue to do this, if the USA goes for herd immunity and has a raging pandemic.

China is definitely going to cut off the USA if they go for herd immunity.

China, Japan, Korea, HK, Taiwan and Thailand all have low infection rates and are creating a regional travel bubble.
There are huge numbers of short-haul regional passengers flows.
That is far more important than the few passengers on long-haul transpacific flights to the USA.

When the UK wanted to go for herd immunity, France threatened to cut off the UK unless they changed their approach.
So you can be sure that Europe will continue to cut out the USA if the US goes for herd immunity.
Again, the logic is that Europe has the Coronavirus contained, and doesn't want outbreaks popping up everywhere because of a few US travellers.

Remember that Europe is an economic bloc which is comparable in size to the USA.
China is also an economic bloc which is comparable in size to the USA.

So both blocs can afford to be largely self-sufficient, like the US could be.

From a geopolitical point of view, a raging pandemic in the USA would:
1. isolate the USA from Europe and Asia.
2. would further discredit the American government as it would be seen as evidence of US incompetence
3. a continuous high rate of infections in the USA should result in worse economic growth than seen in Asia or Europe
4. demonstrate that the US model is not fit for global leadership

Come to think of it, we will probably see a lot this happen anyway because of the piecemeal half-hearted lockdowns in the USA.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Well, that's the problem. You can't inject bleach into your body. And you still need to go places.

<Insert obvious Trump joke>.

I think you misunderstood me. I mean your house is still plenty dirty since you're not constantly disinfecting it because of COVID-19. Public spaces may be more disinfected, and you might wash your hands more often outside, but you're still carrying around your normal bacteria from your filthy house.

Also, because hospital staff are wearing more PPE and the hospital itself is getting disinfected more often, there's fewer hospital bacteria in general and they're less likely to leave the hospital.

 

[supercat]

Situation in mainland China on June 15:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1272687013938860032

Beijing update:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1272582140648022016

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1272465607665913856

 

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In only three countries – Taiwan, the US and South Korea – do more people think the US has responded well to the pandemic than think China has responded well.

So basically 1.5 countries, 1.5 dogs.


Japan should count as well due to data below, so China is surrounded by US trained pitbulls.

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[Intrepid]

If the virus is not contained, the course of the disease is more severe and even many young people die from it. The attempt to gain herd immunity ends painfully.

 

[Quickie]

It looks to me that the federal government might be looking at completely giving up on the prevention part, and move to herd immunity... And as a result, everyone else in the world might be forced to do the same. If the entire US decides to give up and just open everything up and tells everyone to start hugging each other and kissing each other and start partying, can other countries afford to keep Americans out of their countries altogether? Maybe not. Then everyone will have to give up and rely on herd immunity.

Some countries in Asia and Oceania are at the moment considering to be part of a bubble where they can travel freely within. I don't think these countries would allow the US and the other countries that go the herd immunity route coming into their bubble.

 

[B.I.B.]

Some countries in Asia and Oceania are at the moment considering to be part of a bubble where they can travel freely within. I don't think these countries would allow the US and the other countries that go the herd immunity route coming into their bubble.

We have just gotten two imported covid victims from the UK, which reinforces the viewpoint not to let folks in from heavily infected countries despite calls by the universities to allow students from China and India in for the August semester.

 

[Intrepid]

There is an investigation in Germany that contains an indication that a part of the population has protective T cells in their blood due to previous colds.

This could be a reason that Covid-19 causes more harm where colds are less common. This could also be a reason why children who catch cold more often get Covid-19 less often.

The clues will be examined further.