That is a plausible infection route.
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That is a plausible infection route.
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AssassinsMace
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I could tell you that the logic of how they came up with their conclusions were flawed. Again one question they don't ask is if they expected China to report coronavirus on day one that someone got sick and people in the US claim to have gotten it before China reported it, how come not one doctor in the US could identify it?
Intrepid
Major
But it corresponds to the same thinking pattern: be vigilant, act early and fight it as long as it is small and weak.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Ok, I originally wasn’t going to post this as I didn’t think that trash Harvard ‘study’ deserved any more attention than it has already got, but since it just won’t go away, hopefully this will help more people to see the obvious pile of issues with this.
So here are some top picks from the original ABC article.
The article tries to sell this as a strength, but seriously how did more people not ask wtf are medical workers from Harvard Medical school doing looking at satellite images? That’s a field completely outside of their actual experience and skill set, so it utterly invalidates any professional credibility they might have had as doctors. I mean, would any of you trust a CIA satellite imagery analyst to perform open heart surgery on you? Because their training and expertise are so easily transferable between those two fields?
Ah, now it’s starting to make sense. Dr Brownstain is a media talking head, who only retained his regular semi-celebrity speaking gig because he has a knack for knowing what the powers that be want to hear and has the moral ‘flexibility’ to tailor his conclusions to match.
The satellite imagery does show an increase in private car parking at some hospitals in Wuhan, but that would be a textbook example of correlation does not equal causation.
It is telling that the study had to settle with diarrhoea, the number 7 most common symptom, as a ‘key’ COVID19 symptom, which is not even listed in most countries’ COVID19 diagnostics questions. That means they exhausts symptoms 2-6 before they found something other than coughing to try to suggest a COVID19 connection, as even laymen would immediate notice the stretch if they only have cough as the single increased search field to try to link it to COVID19. Funny thing is that even for diarrhoea they had to cherry pick as ‘symptoms of diarrhoea, rather than diarrhoea itself, since that has actually seen a fall in searches during the required timeframe.
That suggests to me that they went way down the list of COVID19 symptoms way beyond number 7 diarrhoea, but could not find a second match to corroborate their desired findings, so had to get creative to include tangential search variations before they managed to at last find a second semi-related rising symptom they could cite.
The fact that they had to stretch so hard to find a second semi-related symptom is pretty much proof positive for me that this spike in activity they observed wasn’t COVID19 related. They would have had far stronger correlation with far more common symptoms had this been COVID19 (on top of the mountain of other evidence, or rather lack of evidence of a much earlier COVID19 outbreak, not least of which is the lack of the hundreds of thousands of dead such a prolonged period of unchecked spread would be caused China).
This smacks to me of the ‘damning evidence’ the likes of Trump and Pompeo were mentioning earlier.
It seems very clear to me that the CIA and Pentagon would have first done this satellite imagery analysis of traffic patterns at major hospitals in Wuhan once news of the outbreak first broke to do their own assessments on the severity and duration of spread; which is pretty much standard MO of any military and intelligence outfit, and would have been the first to notice the spike in traffic. But they would have just as quickly ruled that out as COVID19 related as more information about the virus became available.
This might have been what prompted Pompeo and Trump and publicly boast about their ‘enormous evidence’, and then never mention it again once the analysts concluded it wasn’t COVID19 related after all.
Given the absolute laughing stock US intelligence became after the Iraqi WMD shitshow, one can easily see why the likes of the Pentagon and CIA would be firm in not being used to drop compromised reports again. And here is where our useful idiot Dr Brownstain comes into play. A tap and quiet word by a connected individual on where to look would have been all that was required to get the ball rolling, and Mr Brownstain would have known the ropes enough to figure out the rest himself.
So here are some top picks from the original ABC article.
The article tries to sell this as a strength, but seriously how did more people not ask wtf are medical workers from Harvard Medical school doing looking at satellite images? That’s a field completely outside of their actual experience and skill set, so it utterly invalidates any professional credibility they might have had as doctors. I mean, would any of you trust a CIA satellite imagery analyst to perform open heart surgery on you? Because their training and expertise are so easily transferable between those two fields?
Ah, now it’s starting to make sense. Dr Brownstain is a media talking head, who only retained his regular semi-celebrity speaking gig because he has a knack for knowing what the powers that be want to hear and has the moral ‘flexibility’ to tailor his conclusions to match.
The satellite imagery does show an increase in private car parking at some hospitals in Wuhan, but that would be a textbook example of correlation does not equal causation.
It is telling that the study had to settle with diarrhoea, the number 7 most common symptom, as a ‘key’ COVID19 symptom, which is not even listed in most countries’ COVID19 diagnostics questions. That means they exhausts symptoms 2-6 before they found something other than coughing to try to suggest a COVID19 connection, as even laymen would immediate notice the stretch if they only have cough as the single increased search field to try to link it to COVID19. Funny thing is that even for diarrhoea they had to cherry pick as ‘symptoms of diarrhoea, rather than diarrhoea itself, since that has actually seen a fall in searches during the required timeframe.
That suggests to me that they went way down the list of COVID19 symptoms way beyond number 7 diarrhoea, but could not find a second match to corroborate their desired findings, so had to get creative to include tangential search variations before they managed to at last find a second semi-related rising symptom they could cite.
The fact that they had to stretch so hard to find a second semi-related symptom is pretty much proof positive for me that this spike in activity they observed wasn’t COVID19 related. They would have had far stronger correlation with far more common symptoms had this been COVID19 (on top of the mountain of other evidence, or rather lack of evidence of a much earlier COVID19 outbreak, not least of which is the lack of the hundreds of thousands of dead such a prolonged period of unchecked spread would be caused China).
This smacks to me of the ‘damning evidence’ the likes of Trump and Pompeo were mentioning earlier.
It seems very clear to me that the CIA and Pentagon would have first done this satellite imagery analysis of traffic patterns at major hospitals in Wuhan once news of the outbreak first broke to do their own assessments on the severity and duration of spread; which is pretty much standard MO of any military and intelligence outfit, and would have been the first to notice the spike in traffic. But they would have just as quickly ruled that out as COVID19 related as more information about the virus became available.
This might have been what prompted Pompeo and Trump and publicly boast about their ‘enormous evidence’, and then never mention it again once the analysts concluded it wasn’t COVID19 related after all.
Given the absolute laughing stock US intelligence became after the Iraqi WMD shitshow, one can easily see why the likes of the Pentagon and CIA would be firm in not being used to drop compromised reports again. And here is where our useful idiot Dr Brownstain comes into play. A tap and quiet word by a connected individual on where to look would have been all that was required to get the ball rolling, and Mr Brownstain would have known the ropes enough to figure out the rest himself.
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supercat
Major
Mainland China update June 14:
An official responsible for the Beijing outbreak was removed quickly:
Large scale testing in the area of Beijing's Xinfadi market underway:
An official responsible for the Beijing outbreak was removed quickly:
Large scale testing in the area of Beijing's Xinfadi market underway:
solarz
Brigadier
Please save this screenshot. Next time some members here claim AP is a trustworthy news source, show them this picture.
vesicles
Colonel
Well, not sure what is happening with the curves, but the ICU units in the Texas Medical Center are getting filled up again. They were pretty full in March and April (but still with a comfortable margin), and went emptied in late April and May. They are now getting dangerously close to be full again, even worse than ever before. So I would say we are in the second wave.
Like I've mentioned before, the problem with the US is that there is serious time lag among different states. Some states, like CA, NY and TX, experienced the first wave early and their cases went down in late April and May. On the other hand, the rural states just started their first wave in mid/late May. So if you look at the overall curves of the entire US, they look like they are staying the same. However, in reality, we are looking at the decline of the first wave in some states and coming of the first wave in others. And in those states finished with the first wave, we are getting into a second wave. And you will see the stacked second wave from other states some time later.
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Yes.
And what it means is that the US will likely experience a continuous rolling COVID-19 outbreak over the coming months, as outbreak areas can easily reinfect other areas.
Such a scenario is far worse than the strategies employed by Europe and China, which had a coordinated lockdown until new cases really dropped.
Europe and China will likely see more and longer prolonged periods where life returns close to normal, before experiencing further outbreaks which will also be smaller and less frequent.
And it also means contact tracing and rigorous testing to control these smaller outbreaks is more feasible.
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