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I hope China is carefully and thoroughly testing these imported American pork shipments, as I have massive reservations about their hygiene standards when so many of their workers are getting COVID19 from working in those plants. It would be a disaster if imported contaminated American pork caused a second wave of COVID19 in China.

plawolf, you have point here. China and everyone else should be weary about those American pork or meat product. It should be banned for safety reason until such time when we have better understanding of how coronavirus behave after freezing and thawing.

Trade deal or not, Food safety and public health should take precedence over a questionable trade deal.

Even if not banned, we should avoid American meat product if we can.
If unavoidable, we should be very careful how we handle those meat.

According to the Food and Environment Reporting Network, at least 99 meatpacking and processed food plants had at least 6,832 workers confirmed sick, at least 25 dead along with two agricultural inspectors.
 

vesicles

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Taiwanese students make up a very small number of students in top universities around the world like LSE. The universities also do not get any significant grants from Taiwan. LSE have no reasons to lie about Tsai's degree.

Or to put it another way, there's nothing wrong with questioning it. But when the university in question states "yes, we really did give the degree", that's the end of the matter. LSE are very well respected. They don't sell degrees like some dodgy colleges in other countries.

If Tsai was president of China, there could conceivably be a reason why LSE might lie to curry favour with a huge country with a lot of international students. But not Taiwan.

LSE has a poor reputation of defending their former students when they shouldn't. They hid evidence and tried to lie for Gaddafi's son, which ended badly for them.

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And LSE got a huge grant from Taiwan, an anonymous donor to one of Tsai's girlfriends who works at the LSE.

Anyway, I only care about physical evidence. As we all know, in western culture, a signature is the most important form of legal recognition. In any Western institution, the most important evidence for a graduate degree is signature. 4 signatures specifically: (1) a signed form of ALL thesis committee members after the oral exam to show that they are satisfied with your oral defense, (2) a completed thesis with the first page containing the signatures of ALL your committee members to show that they are satisfied with your final thesis, (3) a signed form from the registrar's office to indicate that you have a good academic standing (passing grades and you don't owe school anything), (4) a signed form from the library to show that you have successfully submitted your formal thesis that satisfies all the formality of a graduate thesis. LSE so far has not presented any of these signed forms for Tsai. And Tsai has not shown any of these signed forms. So, she has absolutely no evidence that anyone at LSE had agreed to issue her a degree.

All she has is a poorly written and poorly formatted thesis with no signature from any of her thesis committee members. Just imagine you attend a class but have no evidence that you have attended the class and no evidence that you have actually taken the final exam. All you have is a piece of final exam, which is filled with random answers. However, your exam has not been graded by any teachers and has no grade. And you are using this ungraded exam as evidence to show that you have passed the class. How crazy is it? This is literally what Tsai is doing. So pathetic.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
It is sad that politic trump science. You can see the whole episode from this link. He clearly absolve Wuhan institute of virology. good video
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Daszak told “60 Minutes” that conspiracy mongering by Trump and his allies has been a major obstacle in the world’s fight against COVID-19.

“This politicization of science is really damaging,” he said. “You know, the conspiracy theories out there have essentially closed down communication between scientists in China and scientists in the U.S. We need that communication in an outbreak to learn from them how they control it so we can control it better. It’s sad to say, but it will probably cost lives.”

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Trump Lambasts '60 Minutes' After Episode About His COVID-19 Conspiracy Mongering
Dominique Mosbergen
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May 11, 2020, 6:04 AM CDT

Trump Lambasts '60 Minutes' After Episode About His COVID-19 Conspiracy Mongering

Trump Lambasts '60 Minutes' After Episode About His COVID-19 Conspiracy Mongering
President Donald Trump on Sunday lambasted CBS News and its flagship “60 Minutes” program for “doing everything within their power … to defend China” after an episode
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The “60 Minutes” segment reported that Trump’s administration had defunded — for political reasons — a nonprofit engaged in potentially lifesaving research about bat-borne coronaviruses, including the one causing the COVID-19 pandemic.
In the episode, eminent virologist Peter Daszak — who’d raised the alarm about a possible pandemic as far back as 2003 — said the National Institutes of Health had recently
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, though the organization’s work is very relevant to the ongoing outbreak, which scientists think originated in bats.

NIH
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that it axed EcoHealth Alliance’s grant last month, but would not elaborate on the reason.
“60 Minutes” asserted that the organization — which has been receiving NIH funding since at least 2002 — had been singled out because of “pandemic politics.”
For 15 years, EcoHealth Alliance has worked with the internationally renowned Wuhan Institute of Virology to catalog bat-borne illnesses, “60 Minutes” said. Such research has been and remains critical to the understanding of diseases like COVID-19.


But in recent weeks, the Wuhan Institute, which is located in the same city where the new coronavirus was first reported, has come under scrutiny from Trump and some of his allies who’ve claimed ― without evidence or scientific backing ― that COVID-19 was potentially engineered at the institute or elsewhere in China and either accidentally or purposefully unleashed on the world.
“I think [China] made a horrible mistake and they didn’t want to admit it,” Trump
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. Many scientists have
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that there’s no evidence COVID-19 was manmade.

Still, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), a vocal defender of Trump, suggested last month that the virus could have been made at the Wuhan Institute, which he
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from the NIH.
That grant, as “60 Minutes” noted, had in fact been given to EcoHealth Alliance and not to the institute. According to Daszak, the nonprofit has spent about $100,000 annually to collaborate with Wuhan researchers ― a collaboration that he said is essential to helping the U.S. prepare for pandemics like the one currently ravaging the globe.

“If we want to know anything about the next pandemic we need to be working in China,” Daszak told USA Today.
“In peoples’ imaginations there might be this image of one person in a lab in China who drops a petri dish and that somehow leads to a massive outbreak,” Daszak continued. “It’s just not like that. Every year there are millions of people going in bat caves and hunting and eating wildlife. It happens every day. They are being exposed to bat viruses every day. It only takes one of these people to go to a city, cough and spread a virus. The aim of our work is to directly benefit U.S. national security and public health. If we don’t do this we are going to be on the front line again when the next virus hits.”


Trump appeared to respond to the “60 Minutes” episode in a tweet on Sunday.
CBS News and “60 Minutes” are “doing everything within their power, which is far less today than it was in the past, to defend China and the horrible Virus pandemic that was inflicted on the USA and the rest of the World. I guess they want to do business in China!” the president wrote.

Daszak told “60 Minutes” that conspiracy mongering by Trump and his allies has been a major obstacle in the world’s fight against COVID-19.

“This politicization of science is really damaging,” he said. “You know, the conspiracy theories out there have essentially closed down communication between scientists in China and scientists in the U.S. We need that communication in an outbreak to learn from them how they control it so we can control it better. It’s sad to say, but it will probably cost lives.”
 
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@Jura Tse does not seem to visit or post on this forum on any regular basis, so why don't you inform him on the current rules.?
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hold it, I've been trying to find out what are "the current rules" on political posts!!

I asked through the reporting message yesterday around this time, and asked again Today at 7:51 AM
OK no instructions were given and more political posts appeared since then, so I'm going to make political posts myself
(by the way I was always interested in differences between the Kuomintang and DPP but was afraid to ask)


@siegecrossbow
@Bltizo
@Deino

I will look into it. thanks for reporting!
 

Canuck place

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Hey guys I understand theres lots of strong feelings on either side regarding DPP but can stay on topic. I may be naive but I don't see the political fallout as a purely China issue but as something that will affect all Chinese people.

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This is the wording out of the White House, the more Trump is backed against the wall in his poor response the more this will escalate. Hopefully China can come out of this strong enough to prepare and repel such offensives
 

vesicles

Colonel
That I was not aware of. However, a little research shows that is not applicable to Tsai's case. The UK authority on this (HEDD) only has records back until 1990.

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But you're ignoring the key point here. If LSE was willing to lie, why wouldn't they forge the signatures? They're the unviersity that issued the degree, and as I've indicated above, there's no one to contradict them by saying they should (but don't) have the appropriate forms.



I'd never heard of him until he started making these allegations. I also don't support people just because some of their views converge with mine. Similarly I'm sure you would disassociate yourself from Chinese nationalists who call for resolving the issue of Taiwan by immediate use of nuclear weapons.

If you have any experience with a PhD, or know anyone with a PhD, you will know Tsai's PhD is fake without any doubt whatsoever. I have a PhD degree myself, am mentoring PhD students and have been on thesis committees of over 10 PhD students. I know how a PhD degree works. If you want to believe her degree is real, good for you. End of discussion.
 
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