Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

two fresh pages of propaganda discussions here so I add this:
... Which gets to my point, if Chinese competitive media intends to put out english/foreign language materials to combat western mis-information, they better damn well hire the people that are familiar with communicating in facebook/twitter/instagram, which in many respect, do live in the west. ...
I've been reading Xinhua and Global Times for several years and I'm telling you their authors attempt to apply to this world what's taught in classes of Scientific Communism, Political Economy etc.; I guess such reporting is attractive only for fanatics or to have fun (the texts are basically the same as in 1980s -- perhaps older than that, but I'm not that old or good to recognize -- just referring to current events)

the CGTN? as above plus stories of China's success success success, I mean no mentioning of any issue (but I guess factions quarrel, VIPs bribe, people lose jobs etc.) yeah resembling North Korea, and such media reporting calls a question 'what else do they hide?'
 

shanlung

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We seen how C19 cases in Singapore spiral from 100++ on 1st Mar to 19,000++ as at 5 May.
A very strong suspicion that the numbers are vastly under counted for reasons best known to the counters.

This video on the root cause of such sharp exponential rise should be viewed in case you might have similar situations in your country.
Better for you to see it soon to have a very clear idea. As in most probability, that video might be removed very soon as is usual in Singapore.

 

vincent

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two fresh pages of propaganda discussions here so I add this:

I've been reading Xinhua and Global Times for several years and I'm telling you their authors attempt to apply to this world what's taught in classes of Scientific Communism, Political Economy etc.; I guess such reporting is attractive only for fanatics or to have fun (the texts are basically the same as in 1980s -- perhaps older than that, but I'm not that old or good to recognize -- just referring to current events)

the CGTN? as above plus stories of China's success success success, I mean no mentioning of any issue (but I guess factions quarrel, VIPs bribe, people lose jobs etc.) yeah resembling North Korea, and such media reporting calls a question 'what else do they hide?'

You have your mind made up. Why don’t you take a trip to China and see things yourself instead of relyig on your preconceptions? Visit a few Chinese cities, talk to the locals and experience what life is like in China. No political minders will follow you around. People who follow you are most likely thieves
 

Tam

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Has this been posted already?

Belleville mayor has coronavirus antibodies, believes he had COVID-19 months ago - May 1, 2020

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I did post about this in the CDF, but not in the SDF. Everything posted here in the SDF quickly disappears in the torrent of replies making the post moot.

I will post this one however, because it is a very important read, and it explains clearly why this isn't a bioweapon nor bioengineered from a lab.

To make it simple enough, there is no freaking way, someone is that smart on Planet Earth to have figured out to do this. Bioengineering would have required pieces of genetic code that would have existed before, not something completely new from the ground up.

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Why do scientists think it wasn’t genetically engineered?
To genetically engineer a new virus, scientists can combine pieces of viruses they’ve seen before. In the case of a genetically engineered coronavirus that was designed to infect humans, the bulk of its genetic material — its “backbone” — would come from SARS or a close relative, while the tools it used to infect cells would be grafted on. But the backbone doesn’t look like any disease-causing virus, and other key parts of the virus are new to science.

In SARS-CoV-2’s case, scientists thought they knew how to optimize SARS to infect human hosts. Coronaviruses enter host cells using protein “spikes” that cover their outer surface. At the tip of each spike is a cluster of amino acids that can bind to a certain receptor on a host cell, like a pick designed to open a particular cellular lock. In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the spike binds to human ACE2 receptors, which coat lung cells.

The original SARS coronavirus targeted the same receptors, and after the 2002 SARS epidemic, experiments tinkered with its spike to determine the structure of an “optimized” version of the SARS lock pick. Many factors influence the success of a virus,
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, so “if you were going to make a new virus, and make it even more infectious than SARS,” said Goldstein, you would give it that optimized tip.

But, Garry said, the tip of the SARS-CoV-2 spike is unlike anything scientists have seen before, sharing only a single key amino acid with SARS. Modeling suggests that
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, but the new configuration is about as effective as the optimized SARS.

How SARS-CoV-2 acquired this unusual tip is still a mystery. But blaming it on genetic engineering overstates the abilities of scientists, Garry said. Guessing that these particular amino acids can bind to ACE2 so effectively is nearly impossible— there are 20 common types of amino acids, and tens of millions of ways to arrange them into a binding tip. It would be like if you looked out over the proverbial infinite monkeys with their infinite typewriters, guessed that a specific macaque would type out King Lear, and then picked the right animal.

“Nobody has that kind of insight into how the viruses evolve or cause disease,” said Garry. “You could randomly try to make changes, but we’re talking about thousands of years of trying pathogens out. I’ve been really lucky to know a lot of talented virologists, and they’re not clever enough to come up with a virus that’s quite this good at spreading.”

What if it was in a petri dish and got out?
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a researcher at the WIV studying a precursor to SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally infected.

But the researchers I spoke to threw cold water on that. “I think it’s
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to ask these questions and examine all sources of the outbreak,” said Gregory Koblentz, a professor at George Mason University who studies biosecurity. “But based on what we know of the biology of the virus, a natural source of the outbreak is the most likely explanation.”

The virus’s spike has a hinge-like structure, allowing the spike to change shape as the virus enters the host cell. Like the spike tip, the hinge on SARS-CoV-2 is markedly different from anything seen in its close relatives.
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that the hinge loses its unique characteristics when cultured in a lab, said Garry. The spike also appears to be able to shield itself from antibodies—another hint that it evolved in the presence of host immune systems.

Most importantly, there’s no smoking gun connecting the lab to an ancestor of the virus. There’s “no bat virus that’s close enough to be the progenitor,” said Garry.
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to SARS-CoV-2 is a cousin that
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in bats.

And while critics
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WIV might have concealed the ancestral virus, 27 scientists who have collaborated with the WIV, including former U.S. officials,
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.

Koblentz agrees there’s not much evidence to suggest a cover-up. “If the Chinese government suspected that the outbreak was the result of a biosafety breach in Wuhan, I would have expected them to come down very hard on that lab, not letting them talk to foreigners,” he said. But in March, a lead researcher at the WIV
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about her search for the ancestral strain.

The WIV has
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of bat coronavirus in the months since the epidemic started, giving other scientists insight into the origins of the virus that causes COVID-19. Several of the early virus genome sequences in an
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were submitted by the WIV, which allowed other countries to begin developing diagnostic tools. That willingness to release data, Koblentz said, could be evidence that weights “the scale towards [the WIV] being transparent and cooperative.”
 

Hadoren

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Non-English Media

With respect to the propaganda war, why not spend money and effort on non-English languages?

We all know the Five Eyes is an inevitable lost cause.

But what about countries like Brazil, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Korea, and the Netherlands?

I've spent substantial time in Latin America, for instance. To them, Five Eyes media comes from distant lands across vast oceans, in a language they don't understand. They think American media is meant for Americans - not them. They have never heard of the NYT.

My belief is that Five Eyes media does not penetrate much outside of the English-speaking world. There is just an enormous mental, physical, and cultural wall between BBC/CNN and the media that the locals consume. (I'm not sure about the Europeans, as some are better at English and may be more influenced.)

Even if you just go on vacation to a foreign country, suddenly America's media feels so far away and distant. When the Americans accuse China of something, that's just part of the struggle between superpowers. Nothing to do with my country.

In some cases the (e.g. India), Anglos don't even know what language these countries speak. In other cases basically nobody speaks English.

Think of Japan. How many Japanese know English? How many Japanese are excited to repeat painful hours of their childhood English lessons reading a Five Eyes article about how China is bad? Basically none. So how can you improve your image in Japan? Obviously, through conveying your message in Japanese.

Thoughts On Doing This

I think for China this will be incredibly difficult. Chinese people have a hard enough time learning English - how many can possibly learn French? (Let alone something like Bahasa Indonesian!) Locals would have to be hired.

Additionally, these efforts would absolutely have to be done professionally, respectfully, and in a way that is acceptable enough to the host government. The vast majority of non-Five Eyes countries are not enemies of China - they are neutral (perhaps somewhat hostile). If you go in aggressive, they will be alienated. Be professional and provide a high-quality product, and your message may get across (btw, this does not apply for the Five Eyes).

Conclusion

How can you convince a German to hear your side of the story? By respectfully and professionally speaking in German (preferably through a native German reporter), while the Americans blabber on in English.
 

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Russia said the us is wrong to accuse China for coronavirus
Personally i am a huge proponent of China forming a full alliance with Russia
A new cold war against China is coming whether we like it or not, and Russia has vast experience dealing with dirty us tricks during the cold war, and it could offer valuable lessons to China on how to counter and resist us pressures
 

Gatekeeper

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Given the anti-China strategy that's been stirred up to cover their own incompetence Covid 19 response, and to increase their re-election chance.

There has been an increase in hate crime against Chinese the world over. So it is good to hear some positive reporting from Vancouver.

Anti-Asian hate crimes in Vancouver not what veterans fought for in Second World War
Vancouver has seen an escalation in hate crimes targeting Asians
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Rest of the report:

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Equation

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That's why I just recently bought my first gun Saturday and I'm thankful of being a Texan. This is because last friday night, 3 guys came calling to my house and ringing my doorbell, then banging on my door yelling something. I wasn't expecting any visitors and my house is in the middle of the neighborhood so it made no sense to answer and open the door. I suspect its because we were the only Asian family in a mostly White neighborhood. While I think those people just there to do a bit of harassment out of anger, frustration and boredom but unlikely to return, I nonetheless want to be prepared if anything happens.

I have a feeling things are going to get worse especially since its election year and the fact that statewide deathtoll hasn't peaked nor is the economic downturned finished.

I would've just open the door and fire the first shot and than call the police. They are invading your home therefore you have the right in the state of Texas to protect it.
 
As I was saying after Trump targeting China, racism will be on the increase. Because racist sees it ok to be racist since Its ok that POTUS and Pompeo to call it Chinese virus!

On social media, this young Asian got a shocking surprise. There are worse abuses out there. Plenty of videos showing Asians being beaten up. So becareful out there guys.

Racial attack!!!

I and my mom went to target (located on Hesperian Blvd, Hayward) this evening and I got verbally attacked because of my race.

I was waiting for my mom in the car while she was trying to get some groceries (store next to target). I was playing on my phone. Her brother (the woman in the picture) opened the back door of their car and hit my car’s door hard on purpose. Then split on my car.

She told me to go back to China. I said I don’t even have a Chinese passport. I’m not from China. Then she said she doesn’t care about Chinese or Vietnamese, etc.

OK, I can feel the tension of discrimination against Chinese/Asian community these days but this is the first time I actually got attacked.

Coronavirus is no one’s wrong. Please STOP doing this to us!!!

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That's why I just recently bought my first gun Saturday and I'm thankful of being a Texan. This is because last friday night, 3 guys came calling to my house and ringing my doorbell, then banging on my door yelling something. I wasn't expecting any visitors and my house is in the middle of the neighborhood so it made no sense to answer and open the door. I suspect its because we were the only Asian family in a mostly White neighborhood. While I think those people just there to do a bit of harassment out of anger, frustration and boredom but unlikely to return, I nonetheless want to be prepared if anything happens.

I have a feeling things are going to get worse especially since its election year and the fact that statewide deathtoll hasn't peaked nor is the economic downturned finished.

I would've just open the door and fire the first shot and than call the police. They are invading your home therefore you have the right in the state of Texas to protect it.

Stay safe and beware. We may be headed to uncertain times.
Plan accordingly for contingencies.

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