Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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4) The US military chief reviewed the evidence and says “the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural” origin
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With his skeptical — some might even say conspiratorial — view of China’s ruling Communist Party, Mr. Pottinger initially suspected that President Xi Jinping’s government was keeping a dark secret: that the virus may have originated in one of the laboratories in Wuhan studying deadly pathogens. In his view, it might have even been a deadly accident unleashed on an unsuspecting Chinese population.

During meetings and telephone calls, Mr. Pottinger asked intelligence agencies — including officers at the C.I.A. working on Asia and on weapons of mass destruction — to search for evidence that might bolster his theory.

They didn’t have any evidence. Intelligence agencies did not detect any alarm inside the Chinese government that analysts presumed would accompany the accidental leak of a deadly virus from a government laboratory.

5) Wuhan Institute of Virology scientists deny a lab leak (My comment: Wuhan lab's internal investigation, led by Dr. Shi Zhengli, did not find any leak. The result is not surprising at all - see 2 and 3)

In this excellent
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by Jane Qiu in Scientific American, we learned that the team at the Wuhan lab led by Shi Zhengli, known as China’s “bat woman” for her 16 years of work collecting samples of bat viruses in caves, sequenced the genome of the new virus in early January and published it on January 23:

Shi instructed her team to repeat the tests and, at the same time, sent the samples to another laboratory to sequence the full viral genomes. Meanwhile she frantically went through her own laboratory’s records from the past few years to check for any mishandling of experimental materials, especially during disposal. Shi breathed a sigh of relief when the results came back: none of the sequences matched those of the viruses her team had sampled from bat caves. “That really took a load off my mind,” she says. “I had not slept a wink for days.”

6) State Department officials worried about safety issues at the Wuhan lab in 2018. This is concerning but doesn’t prove its scientists were incompetent. (My comment: this is in stark contrast to U.S. government's policy of providing $3.7 million grants for studying coronavirus in China.)

In an April 14 piece, Josh Rogin, a global opinions columnist for the Washington Post, reported that in January 2018, the US Embassy in Beijing dispatched science diplomats to the Wuhan Institute of Virology who later sent back cables that warned of “safety and management weaknesses at the WIV lab and proposed more attention and help.”

Rogin went on to cite an anonymous senior administration official’s belief that “the cables provide one more piece of evidence to support the possibility that the pandemic is the result of a lab accident in Wuhan.”

The article sparked a rich discussion on Twitter, with Rasmussen of Columbia pointing out, “The bottom line is that those vague diplomatic cables do not provide any specific information suggesting that #SARSCoV2 emerged from incompetence or poor biosafety protocols or anything else.”

In a follow-up conversation with me, she reiterated: “This line that they’re incompetent, it doesn’t hold water with me.”

Other scientists who have worked with the Wuhan Institute of Virology have spoken up about its standards and practices in the face of the theory it leaked the virus.

“I have worked in this exact laboratory at various times for the past 2 years,” wrote
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, scientific director of the Duke-NUS Medical School ABSL3 Laboratory, in a March 2 post on
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, a site where scientists review the veracity of news reports. “I can personally attest to the strict control and containment measures implemented while working there. The staff at WIV are incredibly competent, hardworking, and are excellent scientists with superb track records.”
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Reuters
  • The National Republican Senatorial Committee sent GOP campaigns a 57-page messaging strategy that urged Republican candidates to blame China for the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a document obtained by
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  • The memo said candidates should blame their opponents for not being tough on China and called for them to reject claims that calling COVID-19 the "Chinese virus" is racist.
  • The document, created by strategist Brett O'Donnell, said candidates should not defend the president's handling of the pandemic, and to pivot to blaming the Chinese government if Trump's response is questioned.
  • The NRSC distributed the report but did not commission it, according to Politico.
The National Republican Senatorial Committee sent GOP campaigns a 57-page document that urged them to blame China for creating the COVID-19 pandemic, according to the memo, published Friday by
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A "short version" of the plan listed at the beginning of the document outlines how Republican senatorial candidates should refer to the pandemic.

"China caused this pandemic by covering it up, lying, and hoarding the world's supply of medical equipment," the document, which had been created by Virginia-based political communications firm Brett O'Donnell & Associates, read."China is an adversary that has stolen millions of American jobs, sent fentanyl to the United States, and they send religious minorities to concentration camps."

It directed candidates to charge their Democratic opponents with being "soft on China" and failing to "stand up to the Chinese Communist Party." It says they should tell voters they will "stand up to China" by bringing manufacturing jobs to the US and by pushing for sanctions on China for "its role in spreading this pandemic."

The memo, sent on April 17, according to Politico, tells candidates to avoid defending the president's criticized handling of the pandemic, except for a directive to remind voters of the president's decision at the end of January to
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. Rather than defending the president, it says the GOP candidates should pivot to offering criticism of China.

The president — and other Republican leaders — have
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or the "Wuhan virus," despite being denounced as racist as the disease has impacted every continent around the globe. The virus has infected more people in the US than any other nation, according to
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of the term, though he has insisted on multiple occasions that there is nothing wrong with the rhetoric.

"In fact, everyone was referring to this as the Wuhan virus before China decided to push its propaganda," the memo reads. "Whatever you want to call this virus, China is responsible. It's more important to hold China accountable and prevent this from happening again than it is to be politically correct."

It said candidates should explain "no one is blaming Chinese Americans," if they were asked whether such rhetoric was racist.

"This is the fault of the Chinese Communist Party for covering up the virus and lying about its danger. This caused the pandemic and they should be held accountable," candidates were told to say.

There has been a reported
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across the US as the novel coronavirus virus, which is believed to have first appeared in Wuhan, China at the end of last year, has spread.

According to Politico, advisers to the president have said polling has indicted that attacks on China could prove an effective strategy for his re-election campaign. Pro-Trump super PAC America First Action created advertisements that
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, to China, Politico noted.

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accused the president of "rolling over for the Chinese," which prompted claims that the former vice president was also evoking racist and xenophobic rhetoric in his campaign to oust Trump.

The NRSC did not commission the document, it only distributed it to its members, according to the report.

"We routinely send campaigns different documents and sources of information dozens of times per week. That's the role of the party committee, especially in these volatile times," an NRSC spokesman told Politico.

Neither the NRSC nor Brett O'Donnell, the President of O'Donnell and Associates, responded to Business Insider's request for comment.
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GOP desperately needs an aggressive plan and doubling down on old time-tested game plan, damn the consequences.

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Jura The idiot

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this week (April 20 is at the bottom, on top is April 26 (GMT)
so I wonder when they'll announce more deaths than in Last updated: April 26, 2020, 08:09 GMT
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their current mortality rate of (12/13624)*100 which is about 0.09% requires willing suspension of disbelief


EDIT what's the nick,
shanlung
you hear me?
 
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Jura said:
this week (April 20 is at the bottom, on top is April 26 (GMT)
so I wonder when they'll announce more deaths than in Last updated: April 26, 2020, 08:09 GMT
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their current mortality rate of (12/13624)*100 which is about 0.09% requires willing suspension of disbelief


EDIT what's the nick,
shanlung
you hear me?
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the vast majority of cases (something like 90%+) were detected by active testing of Indian and Bangladeshi low-wage labourers who had been infected due to highly cramped dormitories. These are young, extremely physically fit men who are very unlikely to experience serious symptoms.
 
Tse

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Tse said:
the vast majority of cases (something like 90%+) were detected by active testing of Indian and Bangladeshi low-wage labourers who had been infected due to highly cramped dormitories. These are young, extremely physically fit men who are very unlikely to experience serious symptoms.
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Singapore imports all of these labourers in the same way that Chinese labourers ("coolies") were treated during the century of humiliation. Ironically most Singaporeans are 4-6 generation descendants from the same kind of low-wage labourers who were hoping to make some cash to send back to China. They are imported by promising them wages that fail to mention the cost of their travel and living expenses, paid pathetically and stuffed into appalling quarters to work in all the dirty and dangerous work like construction, maintenance, port and shipyard labour for the Singaporeans and professional expats. this whole incident shows that Singapore has got to stop this nonsense
 
Jura The idiot

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Tse said:
Singapore imports all of these labourers in the same way that Chinese labourers ("coolies") were treated during the century of humiliation. Ironically most Singaporeans are 4-6 generation descendants from the same kind of low-wage labourers who were hoping to make some cash to send back to China. They are imported by promising them wages that fail to mention the cost of their travel and living expenses, paid pathetically and stuffed into appalling quarters to work in all the dirty and dangerous work like construction, maintenance, port and shipyard labour for the Singaporeans and professional expats. this whole incident shows that Singapore has got to stop this nonsense
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Good Bait Catches Fine Fish?


guess Hendr.
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may know the German
Mit Speck fängt man Mäuse.
LOL
 
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Dolcevita

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Hendrik_2000 said:
All that news that Canadian plane come back empty handed from China is sensationalism . Turn out only 1 flight come back but the rest get their good and It happened not just for Canadian but several countries face the same issue due to log jam and chaotic airport handling system and delay in transportation
And they will get replacement for the faulty mask.

China has been reliable and steadfast partner in fight against Corona virus and supply roughly 70% of the world need regardless of political dispute. Without China where are they going to get their medical supply?
She provide cheap and good mask, hazmat cloth, sanitizer, ventilator to the world
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's BS exposed.

Here is more details on the story. Canada had to elaborate further and admit the decision to leave Shanghai empty was a Canadian decision and not a result of China action or regulation. Bottom line it is result of faulty planning by Canadian authorities as the takeoff time is a Canadian decision and not a result of any Chinese restriction on how much time a cargo jet can spend on the ground in Shanghai.


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China’s foreign ministry is disputing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s contention that restrictions on how much time a cargo jet can spend on the ground in Shanghai played a part in why two aircraft
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Mr. Trudeau, asked to explain why two planes chartered by Canadian governments to procure medical gear from China instead came home empty, on Tuesday first cited limits on the amount of time a plane can spend on the ground .

“There are severe restrictions on the ground in China in terms of how long a plane can actually stay in their airports before having to leave – whether it’s full or not,” Mr. Trudeau said Tuesday.

It was not the only explanation he gave. Mr. Trudeau also noted that “supply lines and shipments to the airport are difficult and interrupted by checkpoints and quarantine measures.”

In Beijing, however, a spokesman for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Wednesday denied there are limits on ground time for cargo jets in Shanghai. He was responding to a question about Mr. Trudeau’s comments on Tuesday.

“As to the incident involving two Canadian flights returning empty, we have checked with the competent department and found relevant reports to be inaccurate,” Geng Shuang, a spokesman for the foreign ministry, told a press briefing.

“Relevant airports and civil aviation authorities place no limit on the ground time of chartered cargo planes.”

Canada had to retract and revised their statement as

“This occurred due to on-the-ground congestion caused by a significant surge in cargo flights out of terminals at the Shanghai Airport. As a result, the intended cargo was unable to get to the plane before its required takeoff time.”
 
plawolf

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Dolcevita said:
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's BS exposed.

Here is more details on the story. Canada had to elaborate further and admit the decision to leave Shanghai empty was a Canadian decision and not a result of China action or regulation. Bottom line it is result of faulty planning by Canadian authorities as the takeoff time is a Canadian decision and not a result of any Chinese restriction on how much time a cargo jet can spend on the ground in Shanghai.


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China’s foreign ministry is disputing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s contention that restrictions on how much time a cargo jet can spend on the ground in Shanghai played a part in why two aircraft
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.

Mr. Trudeau, asked to explain why two planes chartered by Canadian governments to procure medical gear from China instead came home empty, on Tuesday first cited limits on the amount of time a plane can spend on the ground .

“There are severe restrictions on the ground in China in terms of how long a plane can actually stay in their airports before having to leave – whether it’s full or not,” Mr. Trudeau said Tuesday.

It was not the only explanation he gave. Mr. Trudeau also noted that “supply lines and shipments to the airport are difficult and interrupted by checkpoints and quarantine measures.”

In Beijing, however, a spokesman for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Wednesday denied there are limits on ground time for cargo jets in Shanghai. He was responding to a question about Mr. Trudeau’s comments on Tuesday.

“As to the incident involving two Canadian flights returning empty, we have checked with the competent department and found relevant reports to be inaccurate,” Geng Shuang, a spokesman for the foreign ministry, told a press briefing.

“Relevant airports and civil aviation authorities place no limit on the ground time of chartered cargo planes.”

Canada had to retract and revised their statement as

“This occurred due to on-the-ground congestion caused by a significant surge in cargo flights out of terminals at the Shanghai Airport. As a result, the intended cargo was unable to get to the plane before its required takeoff time.”
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China should impose a fake news penalty tax and three strikes rule on countries who want to buy supplies from China.

If government officials falsely defame China, that’s 25% more for all your purchases and a strike, unless the official who made the false claims makes a retraction that is just as prominent as the original claim with at a minimum as much coverage of the retraction by the national press as the original false story.

Make false claims and don’t retract three times and you can get your supplies elsewhere.
 
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next two weeks will determine if US effort to combat the virus will completely fall apart, looks increasingly likely.

The only salvation at this point is actually a spike in cases and deaths in Georgia, will deter some states from acting prematurely.
 
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