Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Captain
I checked out milk powder on Amazon:

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This was the most economical format. 100g makes 1L of milk, and at 200$ for 6kg, it amounts to $3.33/L, whereas fresh milk costs around $1.10/L.



For some weird reason, we sell milk in bags here in Canada, but that works out well for freezing. The only issue is we have to be careful not to rip the bags.



Unfortunately I'm not so optimistic. We have yet to see the inflection point where the number of daily new cases drop. Certainly some regions are doing better than others, but here in Ontario, we've still got a long way to go.
I got tested for covid because some of my social group are part of a cluster off 66 that caught the virus at a wedding function in Bluff.
However despite my showing flu like symptoms I have tested negative twice. That was a few weeks ago so I just dunno.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
All that news that Canadian plane come back empty handed from China is sensationalism . Turn out only 1 flight come back but the rest get their good and It happened not just for Canadian but several countries face the same issue due to log jam and chaotic airport handling system and delay in transportation
And they will get replacement for the faulty mask.

China has been reliable and steadfast partner in fight against Corona virus and supply roughly 70% of the world need regardless of political dispute. Without China where are they going to get their medical supply?
She provide cheap and good mask, hazmat cloth, sanitizer, ventilator to the world

Ottawa poised to run PPE flight out of China every day
By Maura Forrest
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April 24, 2020, 2:33 PM CDT
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OTTAWA — Ottawa is getting ready to run one flight of medical supplies out of China every day, a parliamentary committee on government operations was told on Friday.
In total, more than 10 flights have now arrived in Canada from China, and the medical supplies that failed to make it onto a plane returning from China earlier this week have now arrived in Canada, Procurement Minister Anita Anand said Friday.

“We still need to bring in internationally sourced materials, and much of it is coming from China,” Anand said. “While we have experienced challenges, we have some successes.”
Anand said Ottawa is working to ensure no more planes are forced to return to Canada without their cargo. In part, she said, Air Canada and Cargojet are now flying out of different terminals at the airport in Shanghai, to reduce the potential for logjams.

Bill Matthews, Anand’s deputy minister, told the committee that only one Government of Canada flight has returned without its cargo, but planes from other countries also had to leave empty on Sunday. POLITICO has confirmed that planes from six other countries had to leave China without their cargo, as did a plane chartered by the Manitoba government.

Matthews said the airport was very busy over the weekend, and heavy rain also impeded operations. “The goods were unable to get from the warehouse to be loaded on the plane in time for departure,” he said.
Each flight, including the empty flight, costs C$600,000 to C$800,000, Matthews said.
POLITICO reported earlier this week that China is currently supplying about 70 percent of Canada’s medical supply imports, with much of the rest coming from the U.S., the U.K. and Switzerland.

Asked which medical supplies are causing the biggest headache for procurement officials, Matthews said the government is still “actively managing” the supply of N95 respirators, but said the supplies of surgical masks and testing swabs are now under control.
Anand was also questioned about the fact that one million respirators imported from China have failed to meet federal standards for frontline workers. Reports about the substandard respirators this week came after news earlier this month that Ontario had received a federal shipment of 100,000 swabs contaminated with mold. “I will note that we have had some quality issues with supply,” Anand said. “Quality issues, while unwelcome, should not be unexpected given the surge in global demand for these goods.”

Government officials said they expect to get replacement masks and swabs at no additional cost.
On Friday, Ottawa launched
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that shows medical supplies ordered and received to date. According to the webpage, the federal government has ordered 155 million N95 respirators and received 5.3 million, though many of those remain under testing and have not been distributed to provinces. Ottawa has also received 18 million surgical masks and 12 million pairs of nitrile gloves.


In all cases, the government has received only a small fraction of the number of items ordered, but Anand said part of Ottawa’s strategy is to over-order in anticipation of delays and incomplete deliveries.

The government is also expecting to begin receiving deliveries of ventilators, face shields and gowns next week, including from Canadian suppliers. Ottawa has ordered 30,000 ventilators from a group of Canadian companies.
The new webpage says the federal government began to make “bulk and proactive purchases” of medical supplies in January. But Matthews told the committee that there were only “some minor, small orders” made in late January and early February, and the first big, bulk order was made March 10 or 11, after several weeks of consultations with provinces.
 

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Reuters
  • The National Republican Senatorial Committee sent GOP campaigns a 57-page messaging strategy that urged Republican candidates to blame China for the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a document obtained by
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  • The memo said candidates should blame their opponents for not being tough on China and called for them to reject claims that calling COVID-19 the "Chinese virus" is racist.
  • The document, created by strategist Brett O'Donnell, said candidates should not defend the president's handling of the pandemic, and to pivot to blaming the Chinese government if Trump's response is questioned.
  • The NRSC distributed the report but did not commission it, according to Politico.
The National Republican Senatorial Committee sent GOP campaigns a 57-page document that urged them to blame China for creating the COVID-19 pandemic, according to the memo, published Friday by
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.

A "short version" of the plan listed at the beginning of the document outlines how Republican senatorial candidates should refer to the pandemic.

"China caused this pandemic by covering it up, lying, and hoarding the world's supply of medical equipment," the document, which had been created by Virginia-based political communications firm Brett O'Donnell & Associates, read."China is an adversary that has stolen millions of American jobs, sent fentanyl to the United States, and they send religious minorities to concentration camps."

It directed candidates to charge their Democratic opponents with being "soft on China" and failing to "stand up to the Chinese Communist Party." It says they should tell voters they will "stand up to China" by bringing manufacturing jobs to the US and by pushing for sanctions on China for "its role in spreading this pandemic."

The memo, sent on April 17, according to Politico, tells candidates to avoid defending the president's criticized handling of the pandemic, except for a directive to remind voters of the president's decision at the end of January to
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. Rather than defending the president, it says the GOP candidates should pivot to offering criticism of China.

The president — and other Republican leaders — have
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or the "Wuhan virus," despite being denounced as racist as the disease has impacted every continent around the globe. The virus has infected more people in the US than any other nation, according to
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.

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of the term, though he has insisted on multiple occasions that there is nothing wrong with the rhetoric.

"In fact, everyone was referring to this as the Wuhan virus before China decided to push its propaganda," the memo reads. "Whatever you want to call this virus, China is responsible. It's more important to hold China accountable and prevent this from happening again than it is to be politically correct."

It said candidates should explain "no one is blaming Chinese Americans," if they were asked whether such rhetoric was racist.

"This is the fault of the Chinese Communist Party for covering up the virus and lying about its danger. This caused the pandemic and they should be held accountable," candidates were told to say.

There has been a reported
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across the US as the novel coronavirus virus, which is believed to have first appeared in Wuhan, China at the end of last year, has spread.

According to Politico, advisers to the president have said polling has indicted that attacks on China could prove an effective strategy for his re-election campaign. Pro-Trump super PAC America First Action created advertisements that
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, to China, Politico noted.

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accused the president of "rolling over for the Chinese," which prompted claims that the former vice president was also evoking racist and xenophobic rhetoric in his campaign to oust Trump.

The NRSC did not commission the document, it only distributed it to its members, according to the report.

"We routinely send campaigns different documents and sources of information dozens of times per week. That's the role of the party committee, especially in these volatile times," an NRSC spokesman told Politico.

Neither the NRSC nor Brett O'Donnell, the President of O'Donnell and Associates, responded to Business Insider's request for comment.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
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Yeah, like what else are they going to run on, their record? I find it a great indicator of progress that China will be the central issue of this and every subsequent US presidential election - they sure aren't talking about Burundi.
 

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Reuters
  • The National Republican Senatorial Committee sent GOP campaigns a 57-page messaging strategy that urged Republican candidates to blame China for the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a document obtained by
    Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
    .
  • The memo said candidates should blame their opponents for not being tough on China and called for them to reject claims that calling COVID-19 the "Chinese virus" is racist.
  • The document, created by strategist Brett O'Donnell, said candidates should not defend the president's handling of the pandemic, and to pivot to blaming the Chinese government if Trump's response is questioned.
  • The NRSC distributed the report but did not commission it, according to Politico.
The National Republican Senatorial Committee sent GOP campaigns a 57-page document that urged them to blame China for creating the COVID-19 pandemic, according to the memo, published Friday by
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.

A "short version" of the plan listed at the beginning of the document outlines how Republican senatorial candidates should refer to the pandemic.

"China caused this pandemic by covering it up, lying, and hoarding the world's supply of medical equipment," the document, which had been created by Virginia-based political communications firm Brett O'Donnell & Associates, read."China is an adversary that has stolen millions of American jobs, sent fentanyl to the United States, and they send religious minorities to concentration camps."

It directed candidates to charge their Democratic opponents with being "soft on China" and failing to "stand up to the Chinese Communist Party." It says they should tell voters they will "stand up to China" by bringing manufacturing jobs to the US and by pushing for sanctions on China for "its role in spreading this pandemic."

The memo, sent on April 17, according to Politico, tells candidates to avoid defending the president's criticized handling of the pandemic, except for a directive to remind voters of the president's decision at the end of January to
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. Rather than defending the president, it says the GOP candidates should pivot to offering criticism of China.

The president — and other Republican leaders — have
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or the "Wuhan virus," despite being denounced as racist as the disease has impacted every continent around the globe. The virus has infected more people in the US than any other nation, according to
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.

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of the term, though he has insisted on multiple occasions that there is nothing wrong with the rhetoric.

"In fact, everyone was referring to this as the Wuhan virus before China decided to push its propaganda," the memo reads. "Whatever you want to call this virus, China is responsible. It's more important to hold China accountable and prevent this from happening again than it is to be politically correct."

It said candidates should explain "no one is blaming Chinese Americans," if they were asked whether such rhetoric was racist.

"This is the fault of the Chinese Communist Party for covering up the virus and lying about its danger. This caused the pandemic and they should be held accountable," candidates were told to say.

There has been a reported
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across the US as the novel coronavirus virus, which is believed to have first appeared in Wuhan, China at the end of last year, has spread.

According to Politico, advisers to the president have said polling has indicted that attacks on China could prove an effective strategy for his re-election campaign. Pro-Trump super PAC America First Action created advertisements that
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, to China, Politico noted.

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accused the president of "rolling over for the Chinese," which prompted claims that the former vice president was also evoking racist and xenophobic rhetoric in his campaign to oust Trump.

The NRSC did not commission the document, it only distributed it to its members, according to the report.

"We routinely send campaigns different documents and sources of information dozens of times per week. That's the role of the party committee, especially in these volatile times," an NRSC spokesman told Politico.

Neither the NRSC nor Brett O'Donnell, the President of O'Donnell and Associates, responded to Business Insider's request for comment.



The anti-China camp doesn't just want China to pay reparations or ban wet markets, they want to ban Chinese from life. They want a Final Solution for Chinese, that want Chinese to give them an excuse to wipe us off the face of the planet. The world is a zero sum game to them and Chinese living better is unacceptable.
 
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"As states begin to include “probable deaths” in their counts, so will JHU, the university has said. That change may cause a surge in the number of recorded deaths in the US."
 
Jan 29, 2020
while I had been suspended (because of an unrelated issue, LOL)

I became aware of the claim

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shows a gathering reportedly "attended by more than 40,000 families so the city could apply for a world record for most dishes served at an event." in Wuhan on Saturday, January 18 (
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is that claim true? yes or no would do it

谢谢
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supercat

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Why the SARS-CoV-2 is unlikely leaked from the Wuhan lab:

1) The probability of the virus jumping from animals to humans outside the lab is much higher than the virus infecting humans inside the lab

Daszak is a scientist who has spent the past 15 years collaborating with scientists in China and other emerging disease hot spots around the world to find out where dangerous viruses lurking in wildlife — like the first SARS virus, MERS, and Ebola — are, how they get into people, and how to stop people from spreading them and spiraling into pandemics.

He says he’s confident SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus, originated in bats and jumped into people somewhere, likely in China, because he and his colleagues have established that viruses like it are out there and there are so many opportunities for this to happen.

“If you do the math on this, it’s very straightforward. ... We have hundreds of millions of bats in Southeast Asia and about 10 percent of bats in some colonies have viruses at any one time. So that’s hundreds of thousands of bats every night with viruses,” Daszak says. “We also find tens of thousands of people in the wildlife trade, hunting and killing wildlife in China and Southeast Asia, and millions of people living in rural populations in Southeast Asia near bat caves.”

Next, he says, consider the data he’s collected on people near bat caves getting exposed to viruses: “We went out and surveyed a population in Yunnan, China — we’d been to bat caves and found viruses that we thought could be high risk. So we sample people nearby, and 3 percent had antibodies to those viruses,” he says. “So between the last two and three years, those people were exposed to bat coronaviruses. If you extrapolate that population across the whole of Southeast Asia, it’s 1 million to 7 million people a year getting infected by bat viruses.”

Compare that, he says, to what we know about the labs: “If you look at the labs in Southeast Asia that have any coronaviruses in culture, there are probably two or three and they’re in high security. The Wuhan Institute of Virology does have a small number of bat coronaviruses in culture. But they’re not [the new coronavirus], SARS-CoV-2. There are probably half a dozen people that do work in those labs. So let’s compare 1 million to 7 million people a year to half a dozen people; it’s just not logical.”

2) Yes, the Wuhan lab studied bat coronaviruses and SARS-related viruses. But there’s no evidence it discovered or was working on the new virus (My comment: in other words, no proof that the Wuhan lab had possessed the SARS-CoV-2 before the outbreak. Also see 3 and 5)

In 2020, they (the Wuhan lab) reported on a virus called RaTG13 that they’d discovered in a cave in Yunnan, China, in 2013. This virus shares 96 percent of its genome with the new coronavirus, which makes it the new virus’s closest known relative.

Some have speculated that perhaps the new coronavirus is derived from RaTG13. Yet virologists say it’s very unlikely: A 4 percent difference in genome is actually huge in evolutionary terms.

“The level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of evolutionary change,” said Edward Holmes, a professor at the University of Sydney who has published six academic papers this year on the genome and origin of SARS-CoV-2, in a statement. “Hence, SARS-CoV-2 was not derived from RaTG13.”

Another questionable assumption is that the mere existence of a related virus in the lab signals the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 was also there.

Daszak, who collaborates with the Wuhan bat coronavirus researchers and has co-authored papers with them, says this is false. He and the researchers there were indeed looking for viruses related to the first SARS virus, also known as SARS-1, in the hope of finding ones that might be a threat to humans. He confirmed that they had collected samples of bat feces that contained viruses and brought them back to the Wuhan lab.

However, he said, the new coronavirus is only 80 percent similar to SARS-1 — again, a very big difference. “No one [in Wuhan] cultured viruses from those samples that were 20 percent different, i.e., no one had SARS-CoV-2 in culture. All of the hypotheses [of lab release] depend on them having it in culture or bats in a lab. No one’s got bats in a lab, it’s absolutely unnecessary and very difficult to do.” (Cell culture is a way of storing viruses in vitro in a lab so they can be studied over long periods.)

3) Scientists like to gossip about new viruses. There was no chatter before the outbreak about the virus that causes Covid-19. (My comment: if Chinese scientists collected such a pathogen from the wild and studied it in the lab, like scientists in every other country, they would likely talk about the results of their hard work privately, even if they do not formally publish those. Also see 2 and 5))

Carroll, the former director of USAID’s emerging threats division who also spent years working with emerging infectious disease scientists in China, agrees that there’s no evidence the Chinese researchers were working with a novel pathogen. His reasoning? He would have heard about it.

“The reason I’m not putting a lot of weight on [the lab-escape theory] is there was no chatter prior to the emergence of this virus to a discovery that would have ended up bringing the virus into a lab,” he says. “And if nothing else, the scientific community tends to be very gossipy. If there is a novel, potentially dangerous virus which has been identified, circulating in nature, and it’s brought into a laboratory, there is chatter about that. And when you look back retrospectively, there’s no chatter whatsoever about the discovery of a new virus.”

Carroll is confident he would have heard about it because, in his current role as head of the Global Virome Project, he has his ear to the ground and remains active in the community.

When I asked if the Chinese researchers would have kept it secret, he replied, “People will come back and say China is China, they would have suppressed that information. But Chinese scientists, I think, are just as gregarious as everyone else.”

Rasmussen, for her part, also thinks there’s no suggestion of a cover-up. “I haven’t seen evidence of a grand conspiracy to cover up that there was a lab leak of this virus,” she said.

To be continued below...
 
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