Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

supercat

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PiSigma said:
It's a best guess IMO. Most countries other than SK didn't do that much testing and contact tracing due to overwhelmed systems. If you look at the news from NY where 3 M got it apparently, then NY also got a pretty low death rate.
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True cases is probably several times more than test-confirmed cases in every country and in every region.

China is doing what it should be doing: donating money to WHO.
China has decided to donate additional $30 million in cash to WHO to support its global fight against
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, in particular strengthening developing countries' health systems. China already donated $20 million in cash to WHO on March 11.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1253221845869801472
 
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KYli

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PiSigma said:
It's a best guess IMO. Most countries other than SK didn't do that much testing and contact tracing due to overwhelmed systems. If you look at the news from NY where 3 M got it apparently, then NY also got a pretty low death rate.
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I think 2%+ mortality rate is fairly accurate. Looking at SK, NY probably has about 1 M+ cases. I don't believe the 3 M number as many who got tested are those who willing to go out to get tested and much more active than those who stay home.
 
coolieno99

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"One has to see it with his own eyes to believe it" - unknown football coach

Dr. Clifford Lane, deputy of Dr. Fauci, joined the WHO experts' team and visited Wuhan in mid Feb. The American scientist was impressed by China's aggressive measures. Never been to China, he was surprised "with how modern the cities were".
 
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Jura said:
pardon me?
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Antibody tests might be unreliable.

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But many scientists question the accuracy of the antibody tests and complain that several of the research groups announced their findings in the press rather than in preprints or published papers, where their data could be scrutinized. Critics are also wary because some of the researchers are on record advocating for an early end to lockdowns and other control measures, and claim the new prevalence figures support that call.
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The one done in Santa Clara by the Stanford University is said to try to recruit volunteers using Facebook. People wanting to have COVID 19 tests are going to flock to that. There goes your random sample.
 
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coolieno99 said:
Asia Times version of U.S. funding of Wuhan lab

Why US outsourced bat virus research to Wuhan
US-funded $3.7 million project approved by Trump's Covid-19 guru Dr Anthony Fauci in 2015 after US ban imposed on 'monster-germ' research
By CHRISTINA LIN
APRIL 22, 2020

The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, a recent article in the British newspaper Daily Mail revealed.

Back in October 2014, the US government had placed a federal moratorium on gain-of-function (GOF) research – altering natural pathogens to make them more deadly and infectious – as a result of rising fears about a possible pandemic caused by an accidental or deliberate release of these genetically engineered monster germs.

This was in part due to lab accidents at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in July 2014 that raised questions about biosafety at US high-containment labs.

At that time, the CDC had closed two labs and halted some biological shipments in the wake of several incidents in which highly pathogenic microbes were mishandled by US government laboratories: an accidental shipment of live anthrax, the discovery of forgotten live smallpox samples and a newly revealed incident in which a dangerous influenza strain was accidentally shipped from the CDC to another lab.

A CDC internal report described how scientists failed to follow proper procedures to ensure samples were inactivated before they left the lab, and also found “multiple other problems” with operating procedures in the anthrax lab.

As such in October 2014, because of public health concerns, the US government banned all federal funding on efforts to weaponize three viruses – influenza, Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

In the face of a moratorium in the US, Dr Anthony Fauci – the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and currently the leading doctor in the US Coronavirus Task Force – outsourced in 2015 the GOF research to China’s Wuhan lab and licensed the lab to continue receiving US government funding.

The Wuhan lab is now at the center of scrutiny for possibly releasing the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus and causing the global Covid-19 pandemic.

It is understandable that the Chinese lab likely struggled with safety issues given the fact US labs share similar problems, and indeed in January 2018 the US Embassy in Beijing sent cables warning about the safety of the Wuhan lab and asked for help.

Additionally, the embassy warned that researchers “showed that various SARS-like coronaviruses can interact with ACE2, the human receptor identified for SARS-coronavirus,” meaning bat coronaviruses can be transmitted to humans to cause SARS-like diseases.

Now, the US is up in arms to hold China accountable for the global coronavirus pandemic, filing class-action lawsuits domestically, as well as building a coalition with allies internationally.

Lawsuits have been filed within the US and the International Criminal Court alleging that China used the virus as a bioweapon, and other suits are under way at the International Court of Justice. Republican lawmakers such as Senator Tom Cotton and Representative Dan Crenshaw have also introduced legislation that would allow Americans to sue China in federal court over the deaths and economic damage wrought by the virus.

US spy agencies are also investigating whether the virus originated in the Wuhan lab, and seeking evidence that is needed to support the bio-WMD theory promoted by Republican lawmakers.

If evidence is found that Covid-19 is a biological weapon, some pundits such as Fox News host Lou Dobbs have called for the US to declare war on China.

Nonetheless, it is unclear what the legal ramifications would be if the virus was indeed leaked from a Chinese lab, but as a result of a research project that was outsourced and funded by the US government.

Also, if there was a government ban in 2014 on federal funding being used for GOF research, what are the federal compliance and ethical issues surrounding the fact that the NIH still gave federal funding instead of private funding to the Wuhan lab to continue the experiments?

Hazard suits at the high-security National Biosafety Laboratory in Wuhan. Photo: Wuhan Virology Institute
Moreover, could some strains of the coronavirus have originated in US labs, given the fact the US government lifted the ban in December 2017 on GOF research without resolving lab-safety issues?

For now, President Donald Trump’s administration is investigating the $3.7 million in taxpayer money that went to the Wuhan lab, while Republican Representative Matt Gaetz called for an immediate end to NIH funding of Chinese research. Since the federal ban on GOF research has been lifted, US labs can continue creating these monster germs domestically and would no longer need to outsource to China.

Nonetheless, there still needs to be better oversight on the dangerous experiments and regulations over biosecurity of labs.

Currently, the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) – a US government interagency panel that advises the NIH’s parent, the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) – conducts risk assessment of GOF experiments that pose a significant threat to public health.

The NSABB has given the HHS a framework to assess proposed research that would create pathogens with pandemic potential, such as research on genetically altering a virus to infect more species, or recreating a pathogen that has been eradicated in the wild, such as smallpox.

However, vaccine development and epidemiological surveillance do not automatically trigger an HHS review. In the postmortem of the Covid-19 pandemic, this is likely a dangerous loophole that could be exploited with no oversight, and should probably be brought under HHS review in order to protect public health better in the future.

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These kind of articles is just another attack against SCIENCE itself. This, like all the bat coronavirus studies, are done for the sake of research in anticipation for the next SARS like outbreak and is done in good faith. Now, this is also being used as a tool for the "Fire Fauci" movement. The mentality of the anti-lockdown, Fire Fauci movement has the same parallels with Climate Change Deniers, Anti-Vaxxers and the Flat Earth Movement.
 
Jura The idiot

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now no body will believe it, but later in the evening yesterday I was thinking to post there could be more than 50k American deaths tomorrow in the morning (it was around 49k at that time), but I didn't post because my guess had been around 49800, wrong:
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so I add what I was thinking earlier this week which was there would be 100k+ (more than one-hundred thousand) Americans killed by COVID-19 in 2020 according to me
 
Jura The idiot

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Apr 12, 2020
Jura said:
speaking of vaccines,

"As of 8 April 2020, the global COVID-19 vaccine R&D landscape includes 115 vaccine candidates (Fig. 1), of which 78 are confirmed as active and 37 are unconfirmed (development status cannot be determined from publicly available or proprietary information sources)."
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somehow related is what I've now noticed:
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