Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[manqiangrexue]

Yesterday at 8:17 PM
related, also France inside
Coronavirus: no ‘business as usual’ with China after pandemic, Britain says

• Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab says ‘hard questions’ need to be asked following Covid-19 outbreak, in latest sign of hardening attitudes towards Beijing
• France’s Macron says there were grey areas in China’s handling of disease, adding that ‘things happened that we don’t know about’

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oh and before I forget, some member

called "a review of @Jura's status" Yesterday at 8:21 PM
didn't see moderation instructions yet, LOL

"There is no doubt that we cannot have business as usual after this crisis and we will have to ask the hard questions about how it came about and how it could have been stopped earlier," Raab added.

The foreign secretary cautioned that while there remain questions about the initial outbreak of the virus, the UK government "ought to look at all sides" in a "balanced way" that is driven by scientific evidence.

So this is what he said! I saw another American media that said that the UK told China that it could not return to business as usual with the international community after this (link below)! It was an absolutely comical spin and I did not know who in China Raad had actually told but I know that Raab does not represent the UK by himself and the UK doesn't represent the international community. If this is what Raab said, then he's really not calling for much; as a matter of fact, I would second what he said that questions should be asked and scientific evidence be laid out so the sheeple don't do away from this thinking that China was at fault. He thinks there are hard questions but there are none and there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support any kind of lab involvement. I hope they do this on live air with all the questions they prepare answered by an expert panel in virology from China. It will be a glorious defeat of the anti-China rumor-spreading agenda.

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[manqiangrexue]

OK but the Chinese narrative has a problem now, actually I've noticed the SCMP story (I wouldn't otherwise link it as there isn't much inside)

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which appeared even before the press release

What is the problem? People saw a lot of dead people, some from confirmed COVID-19, others from unconfirmed, and others who died for unrelated reasons but could not be saved by overwhelmed hospitals, so they say they think there are more dead than 2,500 in Wuhan. And they were right, so where is the problem?

 

[Jura The idiot]

What is the problem? People saw a lot of dead people, some from confirmed COVID-19, others from unconfirmed, and others who died for unrelated reasons but could not be saved by overwhelmed hospitals, so they say they think there are more dead than 2,500 in Wuhan. And they were right, so where is the problem?

the problem is body count increased by about one third (off top of my head)

 

[manqiangrexue]

the problem is body count increased by about one third (off top of my head)

So what? How many do you think it should increase by and why?

 

[Blitzo]

OK but the Chinese narrative has a problem now, actually I've noticed the SCMP story (I wouldn't otherwise link it as there isn't much inside)

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which appeared even before the press release

When does the Chinese "narrative" never have a problem when reported by foreign media?


Anything which another government does in their own country is reported as benign, necessary or reasonable --- but if done in China by its government is reported as sinister, concerning, or "authoritarian".


The fact that foreign media choose to exploit that nature is not something which we can help with.

 

[Jura The idiot]

So what? How many do you think it should increase by and why?

I noticed articles of the type

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so as I said in the previous page, additional 1k+ dead announced now is a problem

 

[manqiangrexue]

I noticed articles of the type

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so as I said, additional 1k+ dead announced now is a problem

Death rate and number dead are very different. You can have the death rate drop because after asymptomatic testing, you realized you have 10x more infected people than you originally recorded so death rate is divided by 10, so in that case, even with an additional 1,000+ deaths (on top of 2.5K), death rate still plummets from the original. During the height, only very symptomatic people were tested and counted so the total infections denominator was much much smaller than it should have been but since this thing mellowed, China is doing asymptomatic testing and other things to study and understand it more rather than mad-dashing to save lives like at the beginning.

 

[Intrepid]

It is expected that not all Covid-19 victims will be counted during the worst phase of an outbreak. And it is a good sign if the quality of the statistics is improved afterwards. I don't see any problems.

 

[Jura The idiot]

"There is no doubt that we cannot have business as usual after this crisis and we will have to ask the hard questions about how it came about and how it could have been stopped earlier," Raab added.

The foreign secretary cautioned that while there remain questions about the initial outbreak of the virus, the UK government "ought to look at all sides" in a "balanced way" that is driven by scientific evidence.

So this is what he said! I saw another American media that said that the UK told China that it could not return to business as usual with the international community after this (link below)! It was an absolutely comical spin and I did not know who in China Raad had actually told but I know that Raab does not represent the UK by himself and the UK doesn't represent the international community. If this is what Raab said, then he's really not calling for much; as a matter of fact, I would second what he said that questions should be asked and scientific evidence be laid out so the sheeple don't do away from this thinking that China was at fault. He thinks there are hard questions but there are none and there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support any kind of lab involvement. I hope they do this on live air with all the questions they prepare answered by an expert panel in virology from China. It will be a glorious defeat of the anti-China rumor-spreading agenda.

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LOL didn't know

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anyway I want to say this:

the West has been suspicious about China

(if you were recently reading US military outlets like DefenseNews etc., you'd see many articles going like
Pentagon's priority is China threat Pentagon's priority is China threat Pentagon's priority is China threat Pentagon's priority is China threat),

but at the same time the West missed the pandemic,

so now administrations and institutions like the CIA, NSA, MI6 etc. will try to cover their, ehm, backs

 

[manqiangrexue]

but at the same time the West missed the pandemic,

Looks like they caught it right in the face to me.

so now administrations and institutions like the CIA, NSA, MI6 etc. will try to cover their, ehm, backs

Absolutely. How does it make these countries look when hey vaunted their first world superiority over China to see China contain a virus from surprise outbreak far better than they could even with warning? How does it make the US look to know that even with 2 month's advanced warning, they will still suffer undoubtedly over 1,000% the mortality of China in a population that is only 25%? The US said they had the number 1 health system in the world. It's not explainable, so the only thing they can do is accuse China of lying and try to cast blame on China.